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Comment by Don posted on Christmas songs at 16/12/2009 - 21:30
Grandma got run over by a reindeer.
Comment by Don posted on Christmas songs at 16/12/2009 - 20:50
yeah you can spot the "Transitional" Canadians because we're the ones that buy "Liters" of milk...Drive "Kilometers per hour" but will tell you our height in "feet and inches" and tell you how many "Miles" to the nearest gas station...
lol!
lol!
Comment by Don posted on Freezing weather...my story! at 16/12/2009 - 18:21
JudithAnn wrote:
Ya Don...I am next door to you right now. I am in Grande Priarie Alberta..not sure how long I will be here..but for another month at least. I know, you know, what I am talking about. In Edmonton last week they broke a record....at the airport it registered 58 below!WOW! Hope January does not try to beat that
We got a break in the cold snap this morning.... looks like we'll be getting some snow!Ya Don...I am next door to you right now. I am in Grande Priarie Alberta..not sure how long I will be here..but for another month at least. I know, you know, what I am talking about. In Edmonton last week they broke a record....at the airport it registered 58 below!WOW! Hope January does not try to beat that
Yesterday was so cold, the dog came in with a yellow icicle froze to his leg!
Comment by Don posted on Freezing weather...my story! at 16/12/2009 - 15:52
Either you Britts need to start protesting this mistreatment or you need to start adding "Ressisting Arresst/ assaulting a Peace officer" to the charges, if you're ever gonna get past this problem.
civil disobedience, becomes a responsibility in the face of Governments that go too far with the greed, corruption, or injustices.
civil disobedience, becomes a responsibility in the face of Governments that go too far with the greed, corruption, or injustices.
Comment by Don posted on Another Arrest at 16/12/2009 - 14:59
gartmore wrote:
"Good work is good work, but PROs get paid, that is the main difference as far as I can tell."
True.
The history of photography, especially in the early days, was almost written by amateurs. As Don says, good work is good work and it doesn't matter who did it. Professionals on weddings, for example, have to make every shot count and by living by your efforts your attitude changes over time. I've a big job on tomorrow and there is absolutely no room for error and it has to be shot in a particular way for a particular reason and you bring all your skill, experience and knowledge to it. It gets delivered the following day.
A photographer I know who was standing beside Robert Kennedy when he was shot told me that the only thing that went through his head was "Dont muck up today. Muck up tomorrow but dont muck up today."
Amateurs perhaps have the luxury of mucking up.
And the freedom to choose HOW to muck it up.... I wouldn't say to a client "We could have done this better... if your art director(or client) had done things MY WAY"..."Good work is good work, but PROs get paid, that is the main difference as far as I can tell."
True.
The history of photography, especially in the early days, was almost written by amateurs. As Don says, good work is good work and it doesn't matter who did it. Professionals on weddings, for example, have to make every shot count and by living by your efforts your attitude changes over time. I've a big job on tomorrow and there is absolutely no room for error and it has to be shot in a particular way for a particular reason and you bring all your skill, experience and knowledge to it. It gets delivered the following day.
A photographer I know who was standing beside Robert Kennedy when he was shot told me that the only thing that went through his head was "Dont muck up today. Muck up tomorrow but dont muck up today."
Amateurs perhaps have the luxury of mucking up.
Comment by Don posted on OK - so what / who is a Pro ? at 15/12/2009 - 18:34
technoidiot wrote:
Don - I think you and I are on a different level
Of course it's a pro shot - you have to produce the goods which satisfy your employers' wishes otherwise you don't get paid for the job - and you have to use your skills to ensure that what they want to get over is indeed portrayed in your resulting photograph/s - that is where skill / knowledge and technical expertise comes in.
Sometimes I'm wayyyy out in left field...Don - I think you and I are on a different level
Of course it's a pro shot - you have to produce the goods which satisfy your employers' wishes otherwise you don't get paid for the job - and you have to use your skills to ensure that what they want to get over is indeed portrayed in your resulting photograph/s - that is where skill / knowledge and technical expertise comes in.
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Of course it's a pro shot...
yeah but I could have done better...Of course it's a pro shot...
in fact I recently posted two images here both of which generated ver little interest. both I could have done better, both amateure shots in the sense that I did not get paid.... I had my little boy come and pester me to help him make a card for giving his classmates. with a five year old for an art director, and being in the middle of a video editing job, I took a few minutes and slapped it together for him... A hack job I admit (look for the boy in the stocking somewhere here) and another where my oldest daughter and her friend brought me a photo they copied off the net and asked me if I could do something like that for them, as a christmas present. I did it, it lacks the polish you'd get from pro models, but is quite good none the less. Not alot of people agreed, but still, good image.
Skill, equipment, vision, artistry all take a second seat to doing what the client asks in the constraints given, so often my "Best" takes a back seat to the "Paycheck". Often my "Best" non paying work takes a backseat to the "Paying Jobs".
I don't get to do "My BEST" as often as I'd like, the way an Amateur might. I shoot a Wedding, I got many images and hours of video to put through the computer and out to the customer before starting the next job. The amatuer at the same wedding has got months to work on a couple images and gets to compare his work to mine. And mine has to be better in most cases. So why compare?
Good work is good work, but PROs get paid, that is the main difference as far as I can tell.
Comment by Don posted on OK - so what / who is a Pro ? at 15/12/2009 - 18:13
technoidiot wrote:
OK - now my turn .
To me a 'pro' is a craftsman - he has learnt his skills and shows them to the best of his ability [ I'm not talking necessarily here about photographers ].
His work is seen by others and should be appreciated by them .
I just wonder if it's possible to become a 'pro' by real-on-the-job-experience , or is it necessary to have to go to College / Uni/ whatever , to get a good training ?
Yes , as regards photography , there is a lot of technical 'know how' needed , this I freely admit - but does this have to be taught in the Uni setting ?
Can these skills be gained from an apprenticeship ?
Do we always have to prove ourselves by a clutch of paper qualifications ?
OK - now my turn .
To me a 'pro' is a craftsman - he has learnt his skills and shows them to the best of his ability [ I'm not talking necessarily here about photographers ].
His work is seen by others and should be appreciated by them .
I just wonder if it's possible to become a 'pro' by real-on-the-job-experience , or is it necessary to have to go to College / Uni/ whatever , to get a good training ?
Yes , as regards photography , there is a lot of technical 'know how' needed , this I freely admit - but does this have to be taught in the Uni setting ?
Can these skills be gained from an apprenticeship ?
Do we always have to prove ourselves by a clutch of paper qualifications ?
subject dead center, kids not smiling.
excessivly grainy.. Technical FAIL, PORTRAITURE FAIL...
Pro shot though... helped end support for the vietnam war.
feet cut off, dark exposure, another technical fail..
but a pro shot .
that is just reportage... there are so many other examples in many fields.
True craftsmanship doesn't always equate to paying jobs.
Some artisans will not get recognition for thier talent in thier lifetime.
But here's a question for you:
On a paying job, I have a magazine cover coming out this month or next. I got paid.
Someone else came up with the concept, the idea, and hired the talent, so the only thing I did was set up the lights and camera. Is it a pro shot?
You get paid you are a pro.
the answers you seek, to your question has nothing to do being a pro, but everything to do with "How do you become a better photographer" the first answer you got was they only right answer to the question.
The financial side is the ONLY thing that separates the Pro from the Amateur.
Comment by Don posted on OK - so what / who is a Pro ? at 15/12/2009 - 17:33
we came close to hitting -50 the other night... right now we got -40 (both include wind chill factor)...
So I feel for you.
you could throw a cup of hot coffee in the air and it would freeze and fall as ice crystals....
This year though...I've been staying in alot more than usual...
So I feel for you.
you could throw a cup of hot coffee in the air and it would freeze and fall as ice crystals....
This year though...I've been staying in alot more than usual...
Comment by Don posted on Freezing weather...my story! at 15/12/2009 - 16:16
I pick up a camera, odds are I'm getting paid.
That makes me a pro.
That makes me a pro.
Comment by Don posted on OK - so what / who is a Pro ? at 15/12/2009 - 15:57
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