KP...What Do You Think?


1stEverPentax

Link Posted 26/01/2017 - 11:12
Thought i'd start a new thread as the old one was based on speculation and has in any case disappeared out of sight to newcomers.

What are your thoughts...will you be buying one?

I really like the 'chunky slightly retro look', love the swappable handgrip idea, spec seems very good generally...particularly to someone with a K-50 although the buffer seems very small...a backwards step in fact...why would you deliberately neuter it compared to the K-70? (maybe so you can 'restore' it in a hardware upgrade later?)...a dangerous game Ricoh are playing if indeed this is the case.

Biggest negative though has to be the price...£1100 body only !! As McEnroe would say "Are You serious?"

Why would anyone pay that much when you can get a K-3II with 16-85 in a kit for £100 less?

To me its a £700 - £750 camera body and I wouldn't pay a penny more. I should imagine that they will have to 'give away' the DBG7 grip with it to entice anyone to pay even a £1000 for it.

Will be interesting to see what the IQ looks like also at 25600 and 51200 given that they are quoting the optimistic figure of 800,000+ ISO !

Still on balance at least they are still supporting the brand and apparently the K3II replacement is yet to be announced as well as a rumoured APS-C mirrorless which may be imminent.

JAK

Link Posted 26/01/2017 - 11:26
1stEverPentax wrote:
Thought i'd start a new thread as the old one was based on speculation and has in any case disappeared out of sight to newcomers.

If you'd posted in that thread again it would be immediately back at the top!

As to the camera we'll still have to wait for reviews to see how it performs and if it offers something new or if its just a rebuild of an older model to make it look more like a K-1. Really too soon to say.
Having said that, I'm not sure the usual separate AE-L / AF buttons being combined is a good idea for advanced users and with the the inclusion of onboard flash it seems this is aimed more of an upgrade for the K-70/K-S2 level camera restyled with features from the K-1. Happy to admit I could be wrong as the proof is in the eating which no one has tasted yet!
(I've presumed you mean the Ricoh Pentax KP and not the Hoya Pentax KP as my last sentence might be misinterpreted!)
John K
Last Edited by JAK on 26/01/2017 - 11:30

mille19

Link Posted 26/01/2017 - 11:31
It's not what I've been waiting for but looks like a nice camera. I'm glad they stuck with 24mp and didn't go for anything higher.
If I'd didn't shoot Sport/wildlife I'd be buying this camera but because I do shoot Sport/wildlife I'll be waiting for the K3 replacement, KP has too small buffer for Sport/wildlife. Hopefully the K3 replacement will have better AF !

johnriley

Link Posted 26/01/2017 - 11:42
Quote:
It's not what I've been waiting for

What have you been waiting for?
Best regards, John

Nigelk

Link Posted 26/01/2017 - 11:49
I think it is trying to be a different kind of camera to the K-3. An attempt to attract a different group of buyers and thus expand the range and customer base. However to attract new customers I think it would be wise to have a body and lens kit available to get people started with the brand (I'm sure it will be close behind).
The price to us that are used to Pentax seems high but perhaps not to all. When I look at the prices of some other brands with recent releases maybe it is not so high, it gives Pentax room for manoeuvre anyhow.
It's disappointing that at the price point the grips are cost extras in the UK.
To me it looks like a lovely camera I wish it well, BUT as I have a K5II and a K-S2 the K-S2 bought with the 18-135mm lens genuine UK stock for under £400 there is not enough to tempt me on this occasion.
I would agree that anyone not wanting the most recent release the K-3II is the much better buy.
It is nice to have the latest though!

Mike-P

Link Posted 26/01/2017 - 11:52
johnriley wrote:
Quote:
It's not what I've been waiting for

What have you been waiting for?

I'm guessing a Nikon D500/Canon 7DII competitor ... I would love to be proved wrong but I doubt it will ever happen.
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mille19

Link Posted 26/01/2017 - 12:06
johnriley wrote:
Quote:
It's not what I've been waiting for

What have you been waiting for?

If the KP had better AF and larger buffer, it would have been what I've been waiting for. Try shooting sport with 8 frame buffer.
I'm going to keep my money in my pocket until the K3 replacement arrives, the KP isn't a big enough improvement over my K3 I'm afraid, that's why I didn't go for the K3II.

walt

Link Posted 26/01/2017 - 12:11
Would I buy? Can't see it at this price. I'm a bit confused and disappointed by it, my reasoning is if it's a mid range camera it's priced too high if it's a top end camera then it's lacking in features compared to the previous, i.e. K3. I'm almost feeling daft for just recently buying the DA*300 to replace my FA*300 as I thought pentax was going in the right direction with the K5/K3's. Oh well time will tell and the K3/DA* will keep me going for a few years until Pentax change direction again!
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Papa_Lazarou

Link Posted 26/01/2017 - 12:54
The last three posts illustrate perfectly why I think the KP is a pointless exercise. What is it trying to be exactly?
Just can't see Pentax selling many at £1100. I wish they'd put their resources towards a new top line APS-C body that rivals the D500 and 7DIII in AF tracking and speed.
Now that would see me reaching into my pocket again.

KP?
No, i'm out!
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JAK

Link Posted 26/01/2017 - 13:17
walt wrote:
I'm almost feeling daft for just recently buying the DA*300 to replace my FA*300 as I thought pentax was going in the right direction with the K5/K3's.

The DA*300 is a fine lens and is fabulous with the K-1. I suspect your FA*300 would have been too! Just to clarify should someone not familiar with Pentax be reading this, the DA*300 is most definitely compatible with the new body so not sure why you feel daft buying one, it's a fine lens on any body !
I agree though that the KP is chasing more the middle range market rather than a K-3 update. Mind, I don't think anyone has stated it is intended to be a K-3 update, quite the opposite. The K-3 was dearer than this on launch and that was well before the pound devalued. Of note is the parity in price of the KP between the UK and US. 1099 either side of the Atlantic, be it pound or dollar.
However it surely won't stop at 1099 any more than its predecessors have remained at the launch price. How can they appear to discount it if it isn't priced on the high side to start off with?
John K
Last Edited by JAK on 26/01/2017 - 13:17

pgweber

Link Posted 26/01/2017 - 13:27
Papa_Lazarou wrote:
I wish they'd put their resources towards a new top line APS-C body that rivals the D500 and 7DIII in AF tracking and speed.
Now that would see me reaching into my pocket again.

KP?
No, i'm out!

+1
Peter

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joostdh

Link Posted 26/01/2017 - 13:44
I agree. I like the looks, think the specs are pretty good but the price is too high (compared to Pentax’s own cameras or other brands). And there are many more users waiting for a new APS-C flagship than for this.
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walt

Link Posted 26/01/2017 - 13:47
JAK wrote:
walt wrote:
I'm almost feeling daft for just recently buying the DA*300 to replace my FA*300 as I thought pentax was going in the right direction with the K5/K3's.

The DA*300 is a fine lens and is fabulous with the K-1. I suspect your FA*300 would have been too! Just to clarify should someone not familiar with Pentax be reading this, the DA*300 is most definitely compatible with the new body so not sure why you feel daft buying one, it's a fine lens on any body !

I thought I mentioned why I was almost feeling daft at the end of the sentence above?
Also I still have the FA* but at the moment have no interest in the K-1, thanks for the opinion though
JAK wrote:
I agree though that the KP is chasing more the middle range market rather than a K-3 update. Mind, I don't think anyone has stated it is intended to be a K-3 update, quite the opposite. The K-3 was dearer than this on launch and that was well before the pound devalued. Of note is the parity in price of the KP between the UK and US. 1099 either side of the Atlantic, be it pound or dollar.
However it surely won't stop at 1099 any more than its predecessors have remained at the launch price. How can they appear to discount it if it isn't priced on the high side to start off with?

I was reading the Ricoh press release in America and it says "Heir to K-3 legacy", and the Pentax reps told the dpreview staff it was a replacement for the K-3. So on that basis I'd have to disagree with your statement above. Now does that preclude Ricoh releasing a model above this previously top tier of APS-C? Of course not, but it does give an idea of where Ricoh think this model fits in the range and an understanding of the price range of a top-top tier aps-c dslr if it is ever released.
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Last Edited by walt on 26/01/2017 - 14:00

JAK

Link Posted 26/01/2017 - 14:05
walt wrote:
I was reading the Ricoh press release in America and it says "Heir to K-3 legacy", and the Pentax reps told the dpreview staff it was a replacement for the K-3. So on that basis I'd have to disagree with your statement above. Now does that preclude Ricoh releasing a model above this previously top tier of APS-C? Of course not, but it does give an idea of where Ricoh think this model fits in the range and an understanding of the price range of a top-top tier aps-c dslr if it is ever is released.

Quite true but the name implies being an heir to the KM / KR range of which it shares many similarities, i.e. button layout and no top screen. The real K-3 heir will surely have the features of a K-1 but with an APS-C sensor. You can't believe all what the marketing guys suggest!
John K

mille19

Link Posted 26/01/2017 - 14:17
Just found this on the other forum

The Pentax KP will co-exist for six months with the K-3 II before the latter retires and is replaced

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