KP...What Do You Think?

malfis
Posted 26/01/2017 - 20:34 Link
malfis wrote:
Other than wvbarnes comment above - do we definitely know there is only one card slot?
If there is - what a retrograde step..
I've seen the answer in the US forum - only one card slot - 'nuff said.
Lots of gear - but not a lot of idea!
Edited by malfis: 26/01/2017 - 20:35
JAK
Posted 26/01/2017 - 21:12 Link
Are we now convinced that this is a follow up to the K-70, not the K-3 series? I'm sure the results will be no worse than a K-3, but it lacks some of the features, top LCD, dual card slots, GPS to name but three. Then it includes an onboard flash, albeit weaker than that on the K-70, but the K-3ii and K-1 abandoned that.
To say the KP is heir to the K-3 series is a marketing mishap, but with all the hidden trays and grips there's plenty of space to squirrel away your packs of nuts.
John K
Don
Posted 26/01/2017 - 21:20 Link
it's a wonderful little camera.
no sale for me. it's not enough differences to make it worthwhile...
it's about the perfect companion for a k1 or 645 shooter looking for a second camera.
I suspect the price will drop then we'll see one model just above it come out to replace the k3II
Fired many shots. Didn't kill anything.
JAK
Posted 26/01/2017 - 21:39 Link
An early KP adopter.
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Note his preferred use of the Pentax M 40mm f2.8 and Vivitar macro lenses.
(Switzerland, June 1984, Pentax ME, M 50mm f/1.4 Bootscolour slide film)
John K
Edited by JAK: 26/01/2017 - 21:55
wvbarnes
Posted 26/01/2017 - 23:30 Link
Unless SRS web pages have it wrong I actually thought the K3's were about 770 grams loaded. I don't see where the compactness and lightness is do you?

Pentax KP dimensions: Dimensions:131.5 x 101 x 76mm (excluding protrusion). Weight:703g (with battery and SD card).
Pentax K-3 II dimensions: Dimensions:131.5 x 102.5 x 77.5mm (excluding operation parts and protrusion).Weight:715g (with battery and SD card).

Dodge69 wrote:
Love the looks, the size and weight are very much intriguing, wildly expensive though. Having a camera that size but with DSLR battery life and grip options (on camera grip) is also intriguing.
Dariusz
Posted 27/01/2017 - 00:02 Link
JAK wrote:
Are we now convinced that this is a follow up to the K-70, not the K-3 series?
I tend to. Some sort of posh upgrade to K-70, with a couple of extra talents.

In answer to the question what I would expect from a new DSLR, and I will probably get laughed off, but I was hoping for some sort of K-3 mark III to, similarly to 3II, maintain no built-in flash and had GPS instead, plus had better AF, metering, WiFi/blutooth connectivity and.. yup, also integrated vertical grip. But instead we have got something in the retro style of Fujifilm cameras - probably Pentax answer to Fuiji's entry into Pentax dominated medium format game
Edited by Dariusz: 27/01/2017 - 00:06
JAK
Posted 27/01/2017 - 00:17 Link
Is there any real advantage of a KP over a K-70, given the new camera is twice the price? I don't wish to do the company down, but personally I wouldn't have thought so. Conversely I feel a K-3ii would still be an upgrade over either of them (despite what they say) and that one is £400 less than the KP.
The K-1 is fabulous but not sure where they want to go with this new one. Will it end up being a white elephant like the K-01? (I appreciate the K-01 was a fine camera for what it is as the KP will be, but not at that asking price, it needs to be less than a K-3ii.)
John K
Edited by JAK: 27/01/2017 - 00:28
richandfleur
Posted 27/01/2017 - 00:31 Link
JAK wrote:
Is there any real advantage of a KP over a K-70, given the new camera is twice the price? I don't wish to do the company down, but personally I wouldn't have thought so. Conversely I feel a K-3ii would still be an upgrade over either of them (despite what they say) and that one is £400 less than the KP.
The K-1 is fabulous but not sure where they want to go with this new one. Will it end up being a white elephant like the K-01? (I appreciate the K-01 was a fine camera for what it is as the KP will be, but not at that asking price.)
Tend to agree. Lots of development around housing the same tech in new bodies. Shades of the K-S1/K-S2 models really, with a push to make DSLR's smaller.

Still the same 2012 video offering from what I can gather, so poor quality bit rates, no sensor stabilisation or focus peaking during video recording. That's quite disappointing given it's now 2017, some 5 years on and still not attention to this.

I like the look of the KP, but the price is quite hard to reconcile. From memory the K-S1 launched like this also, to similar reactions from users.
Posted 27/01/2017 - 01:46 Link
richandfleur wrote:
JAK wrote:
Is there any real advantage of a KP over a K-70, given the new camera is twice the price? I don't wish to do the company down, but personally I wouldn't have thought so. Conversely I feel a K-3ii would still be an upgrade over either of them (despite what they say) and that one is £400 less than the KP.
The K-1 is fabulous but not sure where they want to go with this new one. Will it end up being a white elephant like the K-01? (I appreciate the K-01 was a fine camera for what it is as the KP will be, but not at that asking price.)
Tend to agree. Lots of development around housing the same tech in new bodies. Shades of the K-S1/K-S2 models really, with a push to make DSLR's smaller.

Still the same 2012 video offering from what I can gather, so poor quality bit rates, no sensor stabilisation or focus peaking during video recording. That's quite disappointing given it's now 2017, some 5 years on and still not attention to this.

I like the look of the KP, but the price is quite hard to reconcile. From memory the K-S1 launched like this also, to similar reactions from users.
This camera has autofocus in video mode, is that an improvement?
Anyway Is their some kind of law which restricts video capabilities in stills cameras to 29 minutes?

Regards
HarisF1
Posted 27/01/2017 - 01:49 Link
I can't really imagine why Pentax have made this step. It looks good, but looks don't sell (camera) bodies. Just look how fugly some Canikon bodies are, and they sell very well indeed.
All the gear with no idea
richandfleur
Posted 27/01/2017 - 06:49 Link
theonenadeem wrote:

This camera has autofocus in video mode, is that an improvement?
Anyway Is their some kind of law which restricts video capabilities in stills cameras to 29 minutes?

Regards
Yeah, they brought this out in the K-70. Works on a select few lenses. Bit rate, no focus peaking during recording, lack of real SR etc are all common to the Ricoh era. Kinda sad given Pentax were right in the game with the K-7/K-5 models, years ago now.

It's not a law, but an old fashioned EU tax bracket criteria issue. Stills cameras are taxed less than video cameras from memory, and the definition states that it's a video device if it can continuously record for more than half an hour straight. Something along those lines. Personally I'd be using a camcorder if I ever wanted to do that though anyway.
Mag07
Posted 27/01/2017 - 08:35 Link
malfis wrote:
Mag07 wrote:

- the materials and built quality/feel looks more like the KS2 and it's the most plastic feeling Pentax dslr since K100D (granted, the little thing was/is indestructible), I am just picky with how things feel to touch
You say you dislike this - have you touched and felt?
Nope, that is why I did say it 'looks like it is' and that I may be proven wrong when it comes to my assumptions. The silver version looks a bit cheap on screen. I do realize it may turn out to be fantastic. Ricoh should've commissioned pixel shift product photos

malfis wrote:
Other than wvbarnes comment above - do we definitely know there is only one card slot?
If there is - what a retrograde step..
Size? You can rarely minify something without sacrifice

Dodge69 wrote:
Love the looks, the size and weight are very much intriguing, wildly expensive though. Having a camera that size but with DSLR battery life and grip options (on camera grip) is also intriguing.

Rumours of the digital mirrorless ME / MX excite me even more though, a digital MX is all I've ever wanted. I've got A7r which is close but it doesn't say Pentax on the front obviously.
That would be very, very cool.
'Photography...it remembers little things, long after you have forgotten....' (Aaron Siskind)
Edited by Mag07: 27/01/2017 - 08:42
geordie01
Posted 27/01/2017 - 08:45 Link
To dear for what it is.
Mag07
Posted 27/01/2017 - 08:53 Link
Also, looks like the price already dropped by 100USD.

link

And some comparison videos between the K1, the K5 and the KP as well as high iso samples and other bits.

link
'Photography...it remembers little things, long after you have forgotten....' (Aaron Siskind)
Edited by Mag07: 27/01/2017 - 09:04
beakynet
Posted 27/01/2017 - 11:32 Link
I think this is an interesting camera - Pentax are again testing something new (for Pentax) - a touch screen (though there are differing reports on this - it really should have one if it doesn't!) and interchangeable grips (I think the LX had that!). As for the price, just look at the GBP exchange rate, this time last year, this would have been £200 cheaper!

Also, this has the Star Tracker and a built in Flash and high speed electronic shutter!

According to the specification on the Pentax site it has a dual card slot and WiFi.

It's not for me but does make the Pentax 3iii (wonder what they will call it) look like a worthy high end APS-C camera, I just hope I can afford it!
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