The f2.4 is also usable on full frame / film.

The line I have rehearsed in my head is 'no madam, I'm not interested in your kids.... they're just too damn ugly'...

Well I bow to your experience, but I have not personally seen great reports of this lens. I had the A version and it wasn't bad but not something I'd really recommend specifically seeking out, especially not for 50.00.

Of course in the right hands even a mediocre lens can deliver good results!

The 28-80... Not meant to be a great lens, and it's not a real macro (the 'macro' will be at the 'zoomed in' end).

As you shoot scale models, I would recommend a proper macro lens, and a comparatively wide one. It's expensive, but worth it - the DA 35mm f2.8 Macro.

Failing that, a 50mm f1.7 (yes it's an excellent lens) and extension rings would work pretty well.

If you don't need to get in too close, a sigma 24mm superwide II would be a good choice too.

I think there's a bit of 'dark British humour' in this thread which has passed you by, Judith Ann!

Of course chores are good for kids. I used to help look after an elderly neighbour's garden, and loved it. I also used to have to help (occasionally) at my Granddad's farm. I am sure many kids still have their chores, but you get a sense sometimes that there is more tendency to let them just 'do their own thing' these days.

Or at least that's the impression I get watching 'Supernanny' and 'Wife Swap'

That sounds like common sense to me!

Good news for Muslims as well, who also have been targeted and alienated by Section 44.

Yes we must not distract them while they are doing real work. Productivity and workmanship may suffer.

Nope, I meant the little girl dressed up like a princess

I do think the mods are making unnecessary work for themselves here to be honest - and as long as threads are routinely deleted, protests will keep popping up, sticky or not! Why not just let each thread peter out!

I think that's why Gwyn is thinking of using the filter, not to prevent steaming-up.