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I reverted to 1.3.1 yesterday and everything seems OK.
This is what PhaseOne had to say about my Fuji .RAF file issue
This is what PhaseOne had to say about my Fuji .RAF file issue
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on the contrary to what Adobe would generally like people to believe, DNG is by far not a standard and converting file to DNG does not "convert" the actual raw data. Therefore since the Fuji uses its own special CCD, the data recorded in the raw file are of special nature, but this means that the DNG files will contain these special data as well and if Capture One does not support the original file, it will not be able to work with the DNG either. This is true especially for cameras with special CCDs, such as Fuji or Sigma.
The issue with DNG files from Lightroom might be that these files are likely to be linear DNGs, which is a completely different file altogether. More on this confusing topic can be found for example here:
http://www.barrypearson.co.uk/articles/dng/linear.htm
Our engineers are working hard to overcome these differences, but please understand that the nature of DNG is not as straightforward as some people believe. However future versions will most likely see improvements as additional cameras and formats will be added.
on the contrary to what Adobe would generally like people to believe, DNG is by far not a standard and converting file to DNG does not "convert" the actual raw data. Therefore since the Fuji uses its own special CCD, the data recorded in the raw file are of special nature, but this means that the DNG files will contain these special data as well and if Capture One does not support the original file, it will not be able to work with the DNG either. This is true especially for cameras with special CCDs, such as Fuji or Sigma.
The issue with DNG files from Lightroom might be that these files are likely to be linear DNGs, which is a completely different file altogether. More on this confusing topic can be found for example here:
http://www.barrypearson.co.uk/articles/dng/linear.htm
Our engineers are working hard to overcome these differences, but please understand that the nature of DNG is not as straightforward as some people believe. However future versions will most likely see improvements as additional cameras and formats will be added.
Comment by Mannesty posted on Adobe DNG Converter queries at 17/03/2008 - 23:17
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I took some test shots in .PEF, imported them into Lightroom, then converted them to DNG with Lightroom's converter.
Now when I view the image 1:1 in Lightroom, the message "An unknown error has occured" appears in the top of the photo. The dialogue is of the same type as the rendering dialogue when it needs to create a higher resolution preview.
Interestingly, by using Lightroom's own DNG converter, all previous adjustments made to the image are retained. Something that I guess would not happen if an external converter is used. Shame it doesn't work.
EDIT: I joined the Lightroom forum to research this, and find that many are experiencing the same problem. The problem seems to have been introduced with version 1.4. Adobe are aware of it. Going back to version 1.3 apparantly doesn't help.
I took some test shots in .PEF, imported them into Lightroom, then converted them to DNG with Lightroom's converter.
Now when I view the image 1:1 in Lightroom, the message "An unknown error has occured" appears in the top of the photo. The dialogue is of the same type as the rendering dialogue when it needs to create a higher resolution preview.
Interestingly, by using Lightroom's own DNG converter, all previous adjustments made to the image are retained. Something that I guess would not happen if an external converter is used. Shame it doesn't work.
EDIT: I joined the Lightroom forum to research this, and find that many are experiencing the same problem. The problem seems to have been introduced with version 1.4. Adobe are aware of it. Going back to version 1.3 apparantly doesn't help.
Comment by Mannesty posted on Adobe DNG Converter queries at 15/03/2008 - 20:01
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Or even to shoot JPEG instead. It's issues like this that are one of the many reasons I have avoided RAW capture.
I did shoot JPG for a few weeks when I got my first Pentax DSLR, a *istDS. Then I tried RAW, and persevered with the learning curve, and agreed with most that the flexibilty of RAW made it worth sticking with it.Or even to shoot JPEG instead. It's issues like this that are one of the many reasons I have avoided RAW capture.
I now shoot only RAW, mainly to give me the insurance of that extra little bit of lattitude to rescue an image because I (and in some cases, the camera, but not often) screwed up somehow.
I've read, with interest, your many past posts on the JPG v RAW debate John. You clearly prefer JPG, I much prefer RAW. Neither is right or wrong, just what suits.
Comment by Mannesty posted on Adobe DNG Converter queries at 15/03/2008 - 15:47
You're right of course, when thinking only of space, but the larger the files, the longer they take to backup too. I backup to tape and it took almost all day yesterday to backup 100Gb of files to 2 x 50Gb AIT2 tapes, and verify them. I wasn't watching it all day of course, but I'd still like to be able to cut that time down and not have to change tapes twice if I can help it. I know I could archive some of the older images, but I don't particularly want to and ALL hard drives eventually fail if not replaced, most, catastrophically so.
Storage space is actually only a secondary issue for me. I have enough free space on my 450Gb RAID array, and I have a 250Gb and a 200Gb external USB2 drives. I have a 1Tb external drive on it's way from UK which I may well just use for backups and keep it in my fire safe.
OT: I work in the IT business selling and maintaining servers, workstations etc. Over the years I've developed a (healthy) paranoia about losing data, especially my own.
I've been looking at deploying a NAS box and tried FreeNAS. Hopelessly unreliable, so I'm looking at a Netgear ReadyNAS solution now.
Anyway, it'd be rather nice if the software that many of us use would actually do what it claims to do. I've opened a support case with Phase One, let's see what they come up with.
Storage space is actually only a secondary issue for me. I have enough free space on my 450Gb RAID array, and I have a 250Gb and a 200Gb external USB2 drives. I have a 1Tb external drive on it's way from UK which I may well just use for backups and keep it in my fire safe.
OT: I work in the IT business selling and maintaining servers, workstations etc. Over the years I've developed a (healthy) paranoia about losing data, especially my own.
I've been looking at deploying a NAS box and tried FreeNAS. Hopelessly unreliable, so I'm looking at a Netgear ReadyNAS solution now.
Anyway, it'd be rather nice if the software that many of us use would actually do what it claims to do. I've opened a support case with Phase One, let's see what they come up with.
Comment by Mannesty posted on Adobe DNG Converter queries at 15/03/2008 - 15:39
To set the scene:-
Equipment: I use a Pentax K10D, initially shooting in DNG format due to the minimal support for the .PEF's it produced at the time. I also use a Fujifilm F810 P&S camera and save in Fuji's .RAF (RAW) format.
Software: I use a mixture of Lightroom (1.4) and CaptureOne (4.01) for RAW development, both of which claim to support the .DNG format. I've recently downloaded the latest DNG converter from Adobe.
Objective: I'm looking at reducing file sizes to save space and backup time.
My dilemma:-
1: Fuji .RAF files are not supported by CaptureOne (C1) so I converted them using the standalone DNG converter. C1 can't 'see' them. C1 can open my .DNG's from the K10D with no problem.
2: Lightroom opens .RAF files with no problem but it can't 'see' the .DNG conversions of these files made in 1: above. They are not available for import.
3: Lightroom has it's own DNG converter and .RAF files saved as DNG's by it can be 'seen' and imported into Lightroom, but not C1.
4: I have some image files in 'in camera' .DNG format from the K10D from a time before its .PEF was widely supported.
I assume these are uncompressed as they are about 10Mb each. When I run these through the DNG converter (DNG > DNG compressed), the resulting file is the same size or a few bytes larger. This is true of both the standalone and Lightroom versions of the converter with compression turned on.
I haven't tried older versions of the DNG converter.
Any ideas? I'm at a loss.
My conclusions so far are that C1 has a bug causing both .DNG versions of .RAF files to be unusable and the standalone DNG converter has a bug that Lightroom can't deal with. Also, neither DNG conversion methods is able to compress in-camera DNG's from the K10D.
Equipment: I use a Pentax K10D, initially shooting in DNG format due to the minimal support for the .PEF's it produced at the time. I also use a Fujifilm F810 P&S camera and save in Fuji's .RAF (RAW) format.
Software: I use a mixture of Lightroom (1.4) and CaptureOne (4.01) for RAW development, both of which claim to support the .DNG format. I've recently downloaded the latest DNG converter from Adobe.
Objective: I'm looking at reducing file sizes to save space and backup time.
My dilemma:-
1: Fuji .RAF files are not supported by CaptureOne (C1) so I converted them using the standalone DNG converter. C1 can't 'see' them. C1 can open my .DNG's from the K10D with no problem.
2: Lightroom opens .RAF files with no problem but it can't 'see' the .DNG conversions of these files made in 1: above. They are not available for import.
3: Lightroom has it's own DNG converter and .RAF files saved as DNG's by it can be 'seen' and imported into Lightroom, but not C1.
4: I have some image files in 'in camera' .DNG format from the K10D from a time before its .PEF was widely supported.
I assume these are uncompressed as they are about 10Mb each. When I run these through the DNG converter (DNG > DNG compressed), the resulting file is the same size or a few bytes larger. This is true of both the standalone and Lightroom versions of the converter with compression turned on.
I haven't tried older versions of the DNG converter.
Any ideas? I'm at a loss.
My conclusions so far are that C1 has a bug causing both .DNG versions of .RAF files to be unusable and the standalone DNG converter has a bug that Lightroom can't deal with. Also, neither DNG conversion methods is able to compress in-camera DNG's from the K10D.
Comment by Mannesty posted on Adobe DNG Converter queries at 15/03/2008 - 11:51
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No worries aj. I'm still with V1.1 and as I have a K100D there is no pressing need for me to update Lightroom yet.
Hi, could you explain why having a K100D makes you think you wouldn't benefit from a newer version of Lightroom? Version 1.31 is stable, more so than the version 1.1 you are using.No worries aj. I'm still with V1.1 and as I have a K100D there is no pressing need for me to update Lightroom yet.
Version 1.4 is definitely flaky which is why I've downgraded to 1.31.
Comment by Mannesty posted on Adobe Photoshop Lightroom and K20D/K200D at 22/03/2008 - 15:53
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Is the PEF format for the k20/200 different then? Seems a good reason to stick to DNG?
Yes, it's different. If the in-camera DNG was compressed, I think I'd use it too.Is the PEF format for the k20/200 different then? Seems a good reason to stick to DNG?
Comment by Mannesty posted on Adobe Photoshop Lightroom and K20D/K200D at 15/03/2008 - 14:41
My thoughts exactly. Phase One (CaptureOne)? Last again.
Comment by Mannesty posted on Adobe Photoshop Lightroom and K20D/K200D at 15/03/2008 - 10:55
Support for .PEF files produced by the Pentax K20D and K200D cameras has been added to Adobe Photoshop Lightroom in their version 1.4 release.
Comment by Mannesty posted on Adobe Photoshop Lightroom and K20D/K200D at 15/03/2008 - 09:45
