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Pentaxophile wrote:
John, those comments don't talk about the resolution being limited by the lens - it's more about Sony not delivering on their promise of maintaining high ISO capabilities with this sensor, and yet again implementing too much noise reduction smearing and a poor jpeg engine.

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In Raw mode, we can see what the A77's 24MP sensor is really capable of. Detail capture is very high indeed, even at ISO 800, although at this setting some noise 'speckles' are visible in areas of plain tone. Overall though, the A77 turns in an excellent performance in this test, delivering appreciably more detail than we've ever seen from an APS-C format DSLR before.
There's a finite limit of resolution that ANY lens can resolve, once you've hit that you can throw as many MP's you want at it all you do is show the limitations on the lens. Have a read of the Canon EOS 7D test:

http://www.photozone.de/dslr_reviews/478_canon_eos_7d?start=2

"The EOS 7D features the highest resolution APS-C sensor tested to date. For whatever reason Canon wants to be light-years ahead here compared to the competition which is currently using 12mp or max. 14mp sensors. It's surely a great marketing argument but, as always in the real life, there's something called "diminshing return upon investment" and this effect is also hitting the EOS 7D.

The next chart compares Canons' JPEG and RAW output to some other DSLRs tested here at PZ. The RAW results are based on RAW files, transformed to DNG and converted to JPG using the same Adobe Camera RAW version in order to get comparable results.

The results aren't really surprising - while the EOS 7D is capable of delivering a slightly higher effective resolution than the lower MP DSLRs it is actually not exceedingly better. The data represents the center resolution @ ISO 200 using our benchmark lens at its sweet spot (Zeiss ZS 50mm f/1.4 @ f/4). It may well be that the camera is able resolve more than that using better SLR lenses but you'll have a hard time finding those actually. There're probably no zoom lenses out there qualifying here".

Also this very informative article:

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/tutorials/resolution.shtml

Conclusions

"So, do sensors outresolve lenses? It depends on the lens you use, the properties of the light, the aperture and the format. Small format sensors may have surpassed the limit, this is, in most cases they are lens-limited in terms of resolution. It is easier to correct aberrations for a smaller light circle though, so you can approach diffraction-limited resolutions for lower f-numbers. The signal-to-noise ratio, however, imposes an inflexible limit to the effective resolution of the whole system, mostly due to photon shot noise.

Sensors for larger formats are approaching the diffraction limit of real lenses, and it is more difficult to get high levels of aberration suppression for them. The point is that you cannot fully exploit the resolution potential of high-resolution sensors with regular mass-produced lenses, particularly for larger formats".

John

Comment by johnwhit posted on For Sale K-7 at 21/12/2011 - 12:30

johnwhit
apeksdiver wrote:
Who makes the sensor in the K-5?
Sony.

John

Comment by johnwhit posted on For Sale K-7 at 21/12/2011 - 12:20

johnwhit
Mike-P wrote:
fatspider wrote:
For the sake of straying off topic I would say that I doubt any DSLR manufacturer will bring out a 24MP sensor, at least APS-C,
The Sony A77 has a 24mp sensor.
Too many pixels for APS-c, it's limited by the lens in use, Canon already discovered this with the 18MP 7D. In a recent review of the Sony A77:

Conclusion - Cons

* In-camera JPEGs don't show off the 24MP sensor to its best extent
* Comparatively strong noise reduction at medium and high ISO settings
* Very noisy raw files at high ISO settings
* Little control over high ISO noise reduction in JPEG mode ('auto' or 'weak')

John

Comment by johnwhit posted on For Sale K-7 at 21/12/2011 - 08:18

johnwhit
Congratulations,lovely image.

John

Comment by johnwhit posted on Another win for Pentax at 20/12/2011 - 18:43

johnwhit
woodworm wrote:
johnwhit wrote:

Same here the K10D/K20D has perfect ergonomics for me, however I'd love a full frame version 36 x 24mm sensor 24MP+ or even the k-5 sensor in a K20D body.

John
It's a nice thought, but I don't think our petition of 2 will get very far in Pentax HQ
No probably not BTW make that 36MP Sony sensor and 7 fps

John

Comment by johnwhit posted on Insight into Future Pentax Products at 20/12/2011 - 18:26

johnwhit
woodworm wrote:
Love the 'feel' of my K10D, it was what made me choose the Pentax over the Nikon D80 at the time and I have held off upgrading to a K7/K5 because of the body, though I think I would eventually get used to it though it's fair to say that I wouldn't choose the Pentax now on the ergonomics.
Same here the K10D/K20D has perfect ergonomics for me, however I'd love a full frame version 36 x 24mm sensor 24MP+ or even the k-5 sensor in a K20D body.

John

Comment by johnwhit posted on Insight into Future Pentax Products at 20/12/2011 - 18:07

johnwhit
dougf8 wrote:


I had a Tamron 70-300mm for a few days and tried the macro setting. It was pretty good and you could use it from 180mm to 300mm. The distance to subject was really good. I preferred the results I got using it as a macro to those as a tele zoom. However you have demonstrated that stalkers get success with shorter close lenses.

If you want 1:2 you will need a dedicated lens or as Mat says above extension tubes.
The Tamron AF 70-300mm f/4-5.6 LD Di macro will give 1:2

"f you want to take advantage of the "macro" mode you've to set the lens to a focal length longer than 180mm. By using the macro switch you can extend the focus range down to 0.95mm which gives you a max. object magnification of 1:2 @ 300mm"

John

Comment by johnwhit posted on fast zoom with macro? at 20/12/2011 - 12:58

johnwhit
I'm glad I kept my FA primes if the future is FF DSLr, not sure about the miirorless option though and the price, only time will tell.

John

Comment by johnwhit posted on Insight into Future Pentax Products at 20/12/2011 - 12:53

johnwhit
Back to the finger trick then Thanks for the reply, I'm sure you'll enjoy the lens now it's sorted.

John

Comment by johnwhit posted on Santa Baby ... at 19/12/2011 - 22:53

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