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Comment by hefty1 posted on Weekly Competition #51 "The Street" at 03/07/2008 - 09:50
Maybe I will George, it's always nice to have something to look forward to.
Comment by hefty1 posted on Weekly Competition #51 "The Street" at 03/07/2008 - 00:58
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And by the way, I don't agree that one man's art is another man's rubbish. I think most great art is widely acknowledged to be such.
You are perfectly entitled not to like this photo, but I suspect you are missing out on enjoying a lot of other wonderful pictures if you don't appreciate this one.
Cheers
G
For a second time in one night we're going to have to agree to disagree. Art is entirely subjective by nature and something that tugs at one person's heartstrings can quite easily leave another entirely cold. I don't feel I'm missing out at all by not liking the work of HCB - I have my collection of Georgia O'Keeffe prints to keep me company. Each to their own... And by the way, I don't agree that one man's art is another man's rubbish. I think most great art is widely acknowledged to be such.
You are perfectly entitled not to like this photo, but I suspect you are missing out on enjoying a lot of other wonderful pictures if you don't appreciate this one.
Cheers
G
Comment by hefty1 posted on Weekly Competition #51 "The Street" at 03/07/2008 - 00:37
INCOMING!!
Lucky I have my sturdy Rolleicord III at hand to act as a shield...
Lucky I have my sturdy Rolleicord III at hand to act as a shield...
Comment by hefty1 posted on Weekly Competition #51 "The Street" at 03/07/2008 - 00:29
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The photograph is, of course, wonderful. I was bowled over by it when I first saw it, nearly forty years ago, and whilst acknowledging that tastes differ, I am amazed that people can look at it and not recognise it as being of unusually good quality. As with all HCB's work, there is a palpable sense of mystery and tension. You really want to be there.
Secondly, if you showed the picture to the ordinary man in the street, he probably wouldn't recognise it. But you would expect a group of photography enthusiasts, whose pleasure it is to view and evaluate photographs, to know the picture. Not recognising it is like a composer being unaware of Beethoven's fifth symphony.
Thirdly, the recurring implication that the only criterion by which a picture could or should be judged is technical quality is very sad. I'm as much of a gadget freak as anybody, but I never pretend that gear makes a picture, just as I don't believe that computers can create worthwhile music.
The list goes on. How very, very depressing.
G
I wholeheartedly disagree with you there George. I actually spent over an hour reading every single comment (there's time I'll never get back! ) on all four pages and I think the only thing that depressed me was the fact that nobody from either pro/anti camp seemed to realise that one man's art is another's.... well, insert your own euphemism - I'm sure you see what I'm getting at.gartmore wrote:
Indeed, and for all sorts of reasons.Quote:
G
Actually, G, it is bloody extraordinary!yelvertoft wrote:
This discussion reminds me of this thread:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/andrerabelo/70458366/
Thanks for that. Extraordinary.This discussion reminds me of this thread:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/andrerabelo/70458366/
G
The photograph is, of course, wonderful. I was bowled over by it when I first saw it, nearly forty years ago, and whilst acknowledging that tastes differ, I am amazed that people can look at it and not recognise it as being of unusually good quality. As with all HCB's work, there is a palpable sense of mystery and tension. You really want to be there.
Secondly, if you showed the picture to the ordinary man in the street, he probably wouldn't recognise it. But you would expect a group of photography enthusiasts, whose pleasure it is to view and evaluate photographs, to know the picture. Not recognising it is like a composer being unaware of Beethoven's fifth symphony.
Thirdly, the recurring implication that the only criterion by which a picture could or should be judged is technical quality is very sad. I'm as much of a gadget freak as anybody, but I never pretend that gear makes a picture, just as I don't believe that computers can create worthwhile music.
The list goes on. How very, very depressing.
G
I fall in the camp that can see nothing special in it, to me it's just a snapshot and a pretty average one at that. If I'd taken it I'd shrug and consign it to the back of the draw - it certainly wouldn't grace an album, far less be given wall space.
Some reading this will probably now be pointing at their monitors and screaming, "Heretic!" as they pray to HCB to smite me with his Leica from on high, but I'd ask those people to consider this scenario:
Suppose for a moment that HCB never took that photo, instead imagine that I was on holiday last week and I took it. Once I developed the shot I decided to enter it into the week's competition (hey, it is a street after all). Which of you - hand on heart - would have even given me so much as a top 3 placing for it? Nobody? That's because there were at least half-a-dozen superior pictures in the competition from a small group of specific equipment users who frequent an obscure website tucked away in one of the quieter backwaters of the Internet.
I understand the arguments regarding HCB's influence on photography and for this I can admire him, what I fail to see is why that automatically makes everything he shot a masterpiece.
I think the Emperor is naked.
<hunkers down and awaits brickbats>
Comment by hefty1 posted on Weekly Competition #51 "The Street" at 03/07/2008 - 00:10
K10D / DA18-55 @35mm / f8 / 1-350sec / ISO100 / 4 level posterisation in Photoshop 5
Comment by hefty1 posted on Weekly Competition #51 "The Street" at 26/06/2008 - 18:58
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Not just firmware, apparently. There are hardware differences. I've read that the later model revisons produced images with lower noise. There may be other slight differences as well.
You learn something new every day! Not just firmware, apparently. There are hardware differences. I've read that the later model revisons produced images with lower noise. There may be other slight differences as well.
I'm guessing mine's probably an early one but I can't say that I've ever been bothered by excessive noise - even at ISO1600 I find the results quite useable and if I could rewind time I'd happily buy the same K10D again.
Comment by hefty1 posted on Cheap K10D or Cheaper GX10 ? at 23/06/2008 - 14:58
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Do I understand correctly that the K10D was "silently upgraded" during its production life, possibly the autofocus system? If this is true, what was upgraded, what age used K10D would we have to look at to be sure to get an upgraded model and did the GX10 receive the same upgrades?
The upgrades to which you refer were firmware related, all K10D's that left the factory came with firmware version 1.0 (except the limited edition GP model which had v1.3) so whether you bought the first K10D to come off the line or the last, you'd have the same camera.Do I understand correctly that the K10D was "silently upgraded" during its production life, possibly the autofocus system? If this is true, what was upgraded, what age used K10D would we have to look at to be sure to get an upgraded model and did the GX10 receive the same upgrades?
Samsung weren't as quick as Pentax in releasing firmware upgrades but I believe the two cameras eventually ended up with the same feature list as each other (except the Pentax has the choice of two RAW file formats and the Samsung is .DNG only).
Either camera would be fine, the differences between them are mainly cosmetic and the GX10 can hold it's own against the K10D in terms of performance, however, the Pentax version is likely to retain a higher second hand value by virtue of being the better known "photographic" brand - whether that's an important consideration only you (and your son) can decide.
Good luck!
Comment by hefty1 posted on Cheap K10D or Cheaper GX10 ? at 23/06/2008 - 10:35
I use the bundled software for developing my RAW files (and for general browsing purposes) and I get on with it just fine. I did try Capture One for a while but I didn't really see any appreciable benefit. I seem to be in the minority on here and I'm sure a chorus of voices will be along soon to tell you why Lightroom / SP / Aperture / et al are so much better, however, I'll be the one stood in the corner with my hands over my ears...
Comment by hefty1 posted on Pentax k10 bundled software what do ya think? at 23/06/2008 - 01:01
Congratulations - I'm sure you'll be very happy with your new purchase! I can't think of any other lens that opens up so many new photo opportunities as a macro does, they're great fun.
Comment by hefty1 posted on A Tamron90mm2.5 cometh to my garden at 22/06/2008 - 23:51
It has a section on Georgia O'Keefe, so there is something for everyone.
G
I certainly can't fault your persistence George, maybe I'll see if the library will order me in a copy (if it doesn't already have one).