I was almost right... it made it to Reporting Scotland, but the pointless-not-even-footall-related Old Firm story was immediatley after, not before.

Definitely silly, another mish mash story out of nothing from reportage extraordinaire BBC Scotland

Ice Cream staff complained as they though they were getting their pics taken - fair enough
We have a clear no photos policy / we don't mind you taking photos of your family - contradictory/confusing?

Can only pray the police were merely passing by and not called on purpose, what a waste of time

Probably make Reporting Scotland tonight not before their top story of a 2p price hike for a pie and Bovril at Ibrox and Parkhead.

Oh dear!

Good point - if you like using filters the 10-20 is what you will need.
And if you need examples of how good it is was marklj's main lens for a long while!

Interestingly the 8-16 does take a filters, just to dispel the myth, but only with its collar on (it has a thread) and only at 16mm or else you get the vignette from collar itself.

You won't get either the SIGMA for £200 buck, not even 2nd hand
I own the 8-16mm & have handled the 10-20mm - something to keep in mind, (depending on the kit you like to walk around with) is they are quite heavy & large.

I had to go buy another camera bag as I love the Siggy 8-16mm,, although after the novelty wore off I found myself using the standard zoom more often I still have to have it in the bag!

So - weight/size & money to consider, just depends how much you think you might use either

A B&W of number 1, would be the winner for me

Sorry buts this does make me chuckle...

A bit like Axel, I used to work in Boots, ohhhh dear.
We were given license to adjust contrast, colour the lot if we deemed worthy. I didn't even own a camera back then!!

Basically if you go into 'the High St' at the weekends you may very well get some 17yr old part-timers making your prints... ok for snaps but...

... just glad you salvaged the situation man!

Oh yeah, that's what I'm talking about

I wish Pentax would bring out a Full Frame body

OK thanks to Axel we have identified a changing in culture is required? :

as a workaround for the members-

i) How about when adding a picture to the Gallery or Your Photos ask for C&C if required and post a link to this thread in the comments?

or ideally if the forum operator embraces continual improvement-

ii) Add a critique 'Gallery' or 'forum option to Your Photos' along with the guidelines (perhaps this could be done at the same time as the IT job adding the 'Lounge' to the forum )

Or perhaps simply

iii) adding some blurb to the Gallery picture upload screen describing what to say and what to expect if you would like C&C on your image. Or even a tick box 'C&C requested' this would autofill the comments box.

What do you think?

Change possible Mr President? Or is this just going the same way as the last time it was suggested, just another thread of hopes and dreams.....

I wish Pentax would bring out a Full Frame body

LOL