If the sensor is a Sony creation then don`t be too surprised. Had a problem with a Handycam sensor and just before binning it I searched the net for any similar faults. Found that just about every range of camera had stuffed up sensors. Enquired and hey presto Sony doing a free out of warranty repair. Then again it might not be one of theirs.

Cedric

Tried the W80 and yes the picture quality is no great shakes. Bit dissapointed but for a couple of hundred quid I didn`t expect too much. It will serve the purpose and when I am brave enough will take the K10 out on the water. thanks for your input, if you want high quality dont buy a W80.

Cedric

My K20 seems to underexpose a little more than the K10. It`s not consistant though, which I don`t understand. Probably the operator though because Iv`e not used it enough to really, although the degree of underexposure increases as the amount of light decreases. I hardly have to dial in e/v changes on the K10.

Cedric

Well I bit the bullet and bought a W80. Struck a deal with a camera shop in York. I`m not looking for the quality of a K10 or 20 `cos thats unrealistic but so far as I can see at the moment the results are ok. I will post a pic in a while.

Cedric

Well it took me a couple of years before I was brave enough to take my K10 in the rain. Eventually I did but kept wiping it dry, I was using the Tamron 28-300 and the kit lens. Now I know the K20 has the same seals but same old story unable to go out in the wet with it yet. Now I always want a camera with me so when my wife and I bought Kayaks I couldn`t take enough brave pills to take either of the DSLR`s so I bought an Optio W80. This wee beastie wont suffer from a dunk and is part of the Pentax family. Will post some pix when I have some.

Cedric

As a recent convert to the world of Kayaks I am wondering has anyone bought one of these yet and what do you think of the results? I can`t bring myself to take either my K10d or K20D on the water but would like a waterproof camera to take in my Kayak. Have taken a few pix with my ancient 3.2 mpixel Olympus C350 this being a rather sacrificial camera.

Cedric

It is so difficult to understand that what is a real fun hobby can sometimes be so serious and intense. So sorry that a fellow participant feels the need to end communicating, the loss is for everyone to feel. The input from that person has ceased, how sad. Everyone loses, what a difficult time.

Cedric

Now I know how the K10 D really can perform I would not sell it anyway so john`s comment doesn`t matter. It was set to zero before I adjusted it. Yes I do adjust it for each lens I put on but that only takes a few seconds.

Cedric

Ok, time to spill the beans. Once I got my mitts on the K20 I was brave enough to go for the focus adjustment in the Debug menu in the K10. I cranked up to + 120 microns for the 50-200 zoom and + 100 for the standard lens. Must point out though that what ever you set the adjustment to it fixes it at that for all lenses. Therefore I alter for each lens, having said that though the 50-200 is soooooo sweet on the K10 D now I hardley swap it over.

Cedric

I have a K10 and also a K20, the K20 is like a refined Belgian chocolate and the K10 like something from Birmingham. However since I attacked the debug mode in the K10 I have hardly put it down. It`s that sort of daddy or chips scene. As John says the 10 and 20 work well together because of their similarities.

Cedric