Iain no need to apoligize I'm also still learning a

This is what Bokeh means now, they original definition of the word is this:
The quote is from this site read it if you want to learn more about it.
http://toothwalker.org/optics/bokeh.html

Characterization of the blur disk
Since any image is represented by a large number of images of points, we may attempt to understand the whole by considering the blurring of a single point. An unsharply imaged point is associated with a circle of confusion, or a blur disk. This blur disk is characterized by
1. A size.
2. A shape.
3. The light distribution across the disk.

The size of the disk determines the "amount of blur". The shape of the blur patch does not need to be circular, in which case the designations "circle of confusion" or "blur disk" are misnomers. Nonetheless, for convenience the word disk will be freely used to mean a patch of arbitrary shape. Although the size and the shape of the disk are unmistakable blur characteristics, they do not touch the essence of bokeh as the Japanese intended the word. The distribution of light across the disk does [1]. However, the distinction is not always clear and what follows is intended as an overview of a variety of factors that influence the rendering of OOF image parts. Explanations of the underlying mechanisms will be brief and the reader is referred to other pages for elaborateness.

@flat4, nice photo again, that lens is very sharp btw

That could be it but this link that Goliath_UK had giving could also be it link seems I've some choice

Yeah I think I meant the Twin but they aren't available here
Lencarta looks better though, has anyone got experience with them?

http://www.outdoorphotographer.com/columns/digital-horizons/lightroom-vs-photosh...
They only talk what's better in lightroom but not what's better in Photoshop, that's a shame though.

Btw you can work non-destructively in photoshop right, simply use layer and save as PSD or is that too simple?
Lightroom does have the upper-hand in here though, since the modifications are saved in a log instead of on the photo meaning that the original file is left untouched and that it saves space.

Very very nice Mike, there is so much in your photos and I've no idea which one I like the most since they all have something.

Most of his diy appears to come from this site www.diyphotography.net

Mike I would be very interesting in that, how is the lens like on the K10D btw?

https://www.pentaxuser.com/user/chris-srswatford-3754

Rob was faster

Didn't even looked that close

Lightroom covers so good as any part of photography and the program is comparable to RAW converters out there but some have other feature that Lightroom has not and vice versa.

Photoshop is an image editing program, you have layer option and all fancy kind of filters and more things you probably hardly use with photography... photoshop is for the more creative artist where lightroom is aimed to get make a good photo instead of an image. They say it very simply.

You've a trial period for both software and for many other raw converters it's the same. The ones to look at as well are Silkypix and Phase One but there are others out there as well so try them out and pick the one you like the most.

Thank you all for the other photos.
Thought I would do that in another comment not to clutter things up

@Will, lovely front focus blur you've there, it's nicely blurred and not distracting at all.

@Luka, these are very nice, somehow long lenses always have a good bokeh, must be a construction thing to get the long focal length.

The Helios 44M has also a very nice bokeh, it's quite soft.

@David, thank you for the shot, the bokeh looks very good as well.
Thought there would be more photos here with that lens

@Nathan, I also love the DA*50-135 but just behind the DOF there is a small range where the bokeh gets busy. Since it's a small range it can create some interesting effect with being distracting but got one shot where most of the background is in that range and it doesn't look good
But when you get past that point the bokeh is nicely soft and pleasant as you show us

The FA 31mm ltd is a lens I haven't seen much from but it's a very good lens as well according to your photo, what a lovely lens. Very well balanced by the looks of it.