Pentax Full Frame
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Posted 14/12/2012 - 15:43
Wouldn't we have to replace many of our lenses with a ff camera?
I belive my 'older' lenses would be fine??
I belive my 'older' lenses would be fine??
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Posted 14/12/2012 - 15:57
cabstar wrote:
Pentax still are very innovative the Q and the k-30 are very innovative.
As for the schools choice of brand, ordering all those cameras requires back up and I guess only Nikon could provide that. Nikon are also very supportive of educational institutions. Our local college is a Nikon academy and gets access to all sorts of goodies, uts this market that pentax should he fighting for, get your cameras into the hands if students and chanced are those students will stick with that brand.
Peter Elgar wrote:
PENTAX used to be very innovative -- what happened ? My boy says his School has 30 NIKON D5000 for use in the Art Department -- I asked why not 'PENTAX' and he said that 'PENTAX' is not a very well-known make !
PENTAX used to be very innovative -- what happened ? My boy says his School has 30 NIKON D5000 for use in the Art Department -- I asked why not 'PENTAX' and he said that 'PENTAX' is not a very well-known make !
Pentax still are very innovative the Q and the k-30 are very innovative.
As for the schools choice of brand, ordering all those cameras requires back up and I guess only Nikon could provide that. Nikon are also very supportive of educational institutions. Our local college is a Nikon academy and gets access to all sorts of goodies, uts this market that pentax should he fighting for, get your cameras into the hands if students and chanced are those students will stick with that brand.
I guess it also makes commercial sense for a camera manufacturer to have educational policy , this way the kids grow up knowing one system and tend to stay with it , same with adult education , I know of one person who has a K5 who booked up a course and after only two weeks of attending was told by the tutors to get a Canon or a Nikon as her camera was not good enough! so she used one cameras provided by the college and got much worse results with it , she thought it was her fault and wasn't ever going to be good enough, until i showed her some photographs taking by the K5 and lesser Pentax DSLR'S and basically the tutor was talking out of his @rse
She's now a happy with her photography , so really its all about the big sell and its about time Pentax joined in.
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Posted 14/12/2012 - 15:58
johnriley wrote:
A segment may well buy into FF, but as a trend it's counter-intuitive. The mass market wants smaller, smaller, smaller, hence the rise of the cameraphone.
Still, the jury is out.
A segment may well buy into FF, but as a trend it's counter-intuitive. The mass market wants smaller, smaller, smaller, hence the rise of the cameraphone.
Still, the jury is out.
The mass market probably. But in the DSRL market both Nikon and Canon have introduced FF cameras at a much lower price point than before. The D600 can be had for below 1500 Gbp. As in all technologies, the price for sensors will decrease, and prices might approach those of enthusiasts' cameras such as the K-5 (launch price).
In the mid term it might be difficult to compete in that market without a FF camera...
Giorgio
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Posted 14/12/2012 - 17:45
Oh dear, wonder how many Full Frame topics have been started on here. Also wonder how many are repeats of a previous rumor as this one is.
Here's some old 'negative' ones for some balance...
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IMO - Pentax will not release a FF DSLR, simply because they would have to create a whole FF lens range. If they do, we will not see it for a long long long time.
Positively however, there has been a change in the game, the Sony RX1.
Unlike Canikon, Sony do not have a big DSLR range or legacy to put at risk, so they are free to release such a game changing machine. I have little doubt they will release a interchangeable version of the RX1 also.
IMO this is the way Pentax should go. A compact interchangeable lens FF. They certainly don't have a FF DSLR range to put it at odds with, and it would take advantage of arguable their biggest assets the FA Ltds! In this respect Pentax are ahead of the game for once! A compact FF to enter the Lecia/RX1 market and finally the FA31, 43 & 77 will have found a real home.
Pentax pour des images riches en détails!
Here's some old 'negative' ones for some balance...
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IMO - Pentax will not release a FF DSLR, simply because they would have to create a whole FF lens range. If they do, we will not see it for a long long long time.
Positively however, there has been a change in the game, the Sony RX1.
Unlike Canikon, Sony do not have a big DSLR range or legacy to put at risk, so they are free to release such a game changing machine. I have little doubt they will release a interchangeable version of the RX1 also.
IMO this is the way Pentax should go. A compact interchangeable lens FF. They certainly don't have a FF DSLR range to put it at odds with, and it would take advantage of arguable their biggest assets the FA Ltds! In this respect Pentax are ahead of the game for once! A compact FF to enter the Lecia/RX1 market and finally the FA31, 43 & 77 will have found a real home.
Pentax pour des images riches en détails!
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Posted 14/12/2012 - 17:54
Dodge69 wrote:
IMO - Pentax will not release a FF DSLR, simply because they would have to create a whole FF lens range. If they do, we will not see it for a long long long time.
IMO - Pentax will not release a FF DSLR, simply because they would have to create a whole FF lens range. If they do, we will not see it for a long long long time.
Do you still hold this opinion even though it has been reported from reliable sources that Pentax are working on a full frame product for release after 2013?
Peter E Smith
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Posted 14/12/2012 - 18:02
Dodge69 wrote:
Oh dear, wonder how many Full Frame topics have been started on here. Also wonder how many are repeats of a previous rumor as this one is.
IMO - Pentax will not release a FF DSLR, simply because they would have to create a whole FF lens range. If they do, we will not see it for a long long long time.
Oh dear, wonder how many Full Frame topics have been started on here. Also wonder how many are repeats of a previous rumor as this one is.
IMO - Pentax will not release a FF DSLR, simply because they would have to create a whole FF lens range. If they do, we will not see it for a long long long time.
With ff bodies now starting around £1500 it will be inevitable that sensor manufacturers drop apps-c from their range, so if pentax don't go ff they will just have to drop out the dslr market altogether, which I cannot imagine them doing. I give apps-c around three further years and then it will no longer be manufactured.
By going wholly ff any company will be thinking about all the new lens sales....
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Last Edited by cabstar on 14/12/2012 - 18:03
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Posted 14/12/2012 - 18:06
Ha! Ha1! Sony have released the Sony RX1 FF with the
most unpopular film lens (35mm) Should have been a
28 or 50mm
Can anyone think of a K mount 35mm from an independent
manufacturer. Vivitar did loads of 28mm's as did
Sigma.
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Half Man... Half Pentax ... Half Cucumber
Pentax K-1 + K-5 and some other stuff
Algi
most unpopular film lens (35mm) Should have been a
28 or 50mm
Can anyone think of a K mount 35mm from an independent
manufacturer. Vivitar did loads of 28mm's as did
Sigma.
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Half Man... Half Pentax ... Half Cucumber
Pentax K-1 + K-5 and some other stuff
Algi
Last Edited by Algernon on 14/12/2012 - 18:08
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Posted 14/12/2012 - 18:15
cabstar wrote:
With ff bodies now starting around £1500
With ff bodies now starting around £1500
Actually starting at around £1300
Giorgio
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Posted 14/12/2012 - 18:25
Bodies are falling in cost so rapidly it's hard to keep up, that shows exactly what was my point, I expect in the new year we will see around £1000 mark....
PPG Wedding photography Flickr
Concert photography
Currently on a Pentax hiatus until an FF Pentax is released
PPG Wedding photography Flickr
Concert photography
Currently on a Pentax hiatus until an FF Pentax is released
Last Edited by cabstar on 14/12/2012 - 18:25
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Posted 14/12/2012 - 18:40
Mannesty wrote:
Do you still hold this opinion even though it has been reported from reliable sources that Pentax are working on a full frame product for release after 2013?
Do you still hold this opinion even though it has been reported from reliable sources that Pentax are working on a full frame product for release after 2013?
Absolutely. Hey if they release a FF, fantastic, praise the lord, can't wait! But you can't blame me for being a skeptical, particularly after doing a Forum search for 'Full Frame', seeing how far back and extensive the rumor mill goes, and seeing how they are full of daydreams, delusions and fantasy.
cabstar wrote:
With ff bodies now starting around £1500 it will be inevitable that sensor manufacturers drop apps-c from their range
With ff bodies now starting around £1500 it will be inevitable that sensor manufacturers drop apps-c from their range
Inevitable if your talking about 25 years from now when we've got in medium format quality in our mobile 'phone laptop life device tricorders' then yeah I'm sure APS-C may be gone by then.
APS-C will remain for the foreseeable future for the same reasons it has succeeded. Smaller, cheaper bodies and lenses. As such it will continue to be a mid-market range and part of the 'consumer development path'.
FF bodies can drop in cost all they want, but I guarantee you the lenses won't.
Wouldn't the average Pentax user need over 10k to convert their range into convert into Canon L glass?
You can drop the FF body prices to a pound if you want, personally I'm still snookered.
Pentax pour des images riches en détails!
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Posted 14/12/2012 - 18:48
I agree that we'll see FF at £1,000 or thereabouts. The only additional lens I would need would be a wide zoom as I have plenty of FF compatible primes of varying ages, I don't have a need for Canon glass, if I did I'd buy a Canon body.
You can see some of my photos here if you are so inclined
You can see some of my photos here if you are so inclined
Last Edited by DrOrloff on 14/12/2012 - 18:49
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Posted 14/12/2012 - 21:26
Here's a question for those moist over a Pentax FF ....
How will a FF camera improve the standard of your photography over what you can get from a K-5 or K30?
[i]Bodies: 1x K-5IIs, 2x K-5, Sony TX-5, Nokia 808
Lenses: Pentax DA 10-17mm ED(IF) Fish Eye, Pentax DA 14mm f/2.8, Sigma 17-70mm f/2.8, Pentax-A 28mm f/2.8, Sigma 30mm F1.4 EX DC, Pentax-A 50mm f/1.2, Pentax-A 50mm f/1.4, Pentax-FA 50mm f/1.4, Pentax-A 50mm f/1.7, Pentax DA* 50-135mm f/2.8, Sigma 135-400mm APO DG, and more ..
Flash: AF-540FGZ, Vivitar 283
How will a FF camera improve the standard of your photography over what you can get from a K-5 or K30?
[i]Bodies: 1x K-5IIs, 2x K-5, Sony TX-5, Nokia 808
Lenses: Pentax DA 10-17mm ED(IF) Fish Eye, Pentax DA 14mm f/2.8, Sigma 17-70mm f/2.8, Pentax-A 28mm f/2.8, Sigma 30mm F1.4 EX DC, Pentax-A 50mm f/1.2, Pentax-A 50mm f/1.4, Pentax-FA 50mm f/1.4, Pentax-A 50mm f/1.7, Pentax DA* 50-135mm f/2.8, Sigma 135-400mm APO DG, and more ..
Flash: AF-540FGZ, Vivitar 283
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Posted 14/12/2012 - 21:31
The top 8 selling cameras (excl. compacts) in Japan
last week were APS-C Canikons. Panasonic had a GF5 at
9 and the Pentax Q was at 10
The best selling FF the Nikon D600 just managed to stay
in the top 50 but is going down
The D800 was at No. 60 and also falling.
The Pentax Q10 is selling well No. 28
I would imagine Pentax won't rush into the FF market.
They still need to get the K-5 II into the sales charts
and now have a rethink about the Q10 range.
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Half Man... Half Pentax ... Half Cucumber
Pentax K-1 + K-5 and some other stuff
Algi
last week were APS-C Canikons. Panasonic had a GF5 at
9 and the Pentax Q was at 10
The best selling FF the Nikon D600 just managed to stay
in the top 50 but is going down
The D800 was at No. 60 and also falling.
The Pentax Q10 is selling well No. 28
I would imagine Pentax won't rush into the FF market.
They still need to get the K-5 II into the sales charts
and now have a rethink about the Q10 range.
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Half Man... Half Pentax ... Half Cucumber
Pentax K-1 + K-5 and some other stuff
Algi
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cabstar
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PENTAX used to be very innovative -- what happened ? My boy says his School has 30 NIKON D5000 for use in the Art Department -- I asked why not 'PENTAX' and he said that 'PENTAX' is not a very well-known make !
Pentax still are very innovative the Q and the k-30 are very innovative.
As for the schools choice of brand, ordering all those cameras requires back up and I guess only Nikon could provide that. Nikon are also very supportive of educational institutions. Our local college is a Nikon academy and gets access to all sorts of goodies, uts this market that pentax should he fighting for, get your cameras into the hands if students and chanced are those students will stick with that brand.
PPG Wedding photography Flickr
Concert photography
Currently on a Pentax hiatus until an FF Pentax is released