Pentax Full Frame
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Posted 19/12/2012 - 12:18
Smeggypants wrote:
I think Pentax having a Full Frame is the better chance of inroads into a larger pro-Market. That would catalyse more amateur sales.
I think Pentax having a Full Frame is the better chance of inroads into a larger pro-Market. That would catalyse more amateur sales.
Interesting thread. I reckon Smeggypants got it right on the nose with that thought. If Pentax do eventually produce a camera with a FF sensor, it'll be targetted firmly at the PRO end of the market.
I reckon that Nikon and Canon well understand that the mass market will buy just about anything with their badge on it, largely because Joe Average Punter thinks that Nikon and Canon cameras are "what the PROs use". It doesn't matter that all they want is a cheapie point & shoot - they want one with an aspirational badge on it.
If Pentax are ever to become an aspirational brand again and start to gain market share across their product range, grabbing at least some sales in the PRO market with a FF camera might be an essential part of the process.
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Last Edited by andrewk on 19/12/2012 - 12:19
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Posted 19/12/2012 - 13:17
Smeggypants wrote:
No one would have believe you could fit 4TB of data into a 3.5" HDD a few years ago
No one would have believe you could fit 4TB of data into a 3.5" HDD a few years ago
Spot on, my hardrives got 4 terrordactyls
Cheers
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Posted 19/12/2012 - 14:16
andrewk wrote:
Interesting thread. I reckon Smeggypants got it right on the nose with that thought. If Pentax do eventually produce a camera with a FF sensor, it'll be targetted firmly at the PRO end of the market.
I reckon that Nikon and Canon well understand that the mass market will buy just about anything with their badge on it, largely because Joe Average Punter thinks that Nikon and Canon cameras are "what the PROs use". It doesn't matter that all they want is a cheapie point & shoot - they want one with an aspirational badge on it.
If Pentax are ever to become an aspirational brand again and start to gain market share across their product range, grabbing at least some sales in the PRO market with a FF camera might be an essential part of the process.
Andrew
Smeggypants wrote:
I think Pentax having a Full Frame is the better chance of inroads into a larger pro-Market. That would catalyse more amateur sales.
I think Pentax having a Full Frame is the better chance of inroads into a larger pro-Market. That would catalyse more amateur sales.
Interesting thread. I reckon Smeggypants got it right on the nose with that thought. If Pentax do eventually produce a camera with a FF sensor, it'll be targetted firmly at the PRO end of the market.
I reckon that Nikon and Canon well understand that the mass market will buy just about anything with their badge on it, largely because Joe Average Punter thinks that Nikon and Canon cameras are "what the PROs use". It doesn't matter that all they want is a cheapie point & shoot - they want one with an aspirational badge on it.
If Pentax are ever to become an aspirational brand again and start to gain market share across their product range, grabbing at least some sales in the PRO market with a FF camera might be an essential part of the process.
Andrew
Indeed. Even if it's a 'loss leader'
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Posted 08/01/2013 - 09:34
So do we think pentax will announce a full frame at CES? Its not something I'm to bothered about as I think aps-c is enough for me, but it would be nice to have a FF in the pentax line up as I feel it would a class leader in the FF arena and thusly improving the pentax image as a serious contender.
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Posted 08/01/2013 - 10:46
andrewk wrote:
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If Pentax are ever to become an aspirational brand again and start to gain market share across their product range, grabbing at least some sales in the PRO market with a FF camera might be an essential part of the process.
Andrew
Smeggypants wrote:
I think Pentax having a Full Frame is the better chance of inroads into a larger pro-Market. That would catalyse more amateur sales.
I think Pentax having a Full Frame is the better chance of inroads into a larger pro-Market. That would catalyse more amateur sales.
[snip]
If Pentax are ever to become an aspirational brand again and start to gain market share across their product range, grabbing at least some sales in the PRO market with a FF camera might be an essential part of the process.
Andrew
An FF is not a one-off, I suspect, and is best seen as a process. There likely isn't just one camera which will satisfy all-comers once you get into FF and some fairly hefty money. For example, do you want lots of pixels and DR for landscape or fewer pixels but very good AF and burst rates for sports/action? Folks are really calling for lots of different FF cameras and it's hard to see how Pentax can satisfy them all with just one camera. Eventually, Pentax will need a range of them if they are going to get into FF seriously. Pinning hopes on one Pentax FF is asking too much, although, yes, it could well be important from the POV of upgrades and aspirations.
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Posted 08/01/2013 - 11:29
The competition are already miles in front. Can you imagine
a Pentax that would work with this.....
http://www.dslrfilmnoob.com/2012/09/05/v-control-usb-focus-controller-video-revi...
Only £115 on Ebay...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Aputure-V-Control-USB-Focus-Controller-/190719432134
These work with Pentax..... Just ordered three
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Trudeau-Twist-Opener-Follow-Focus/dp/B0075429US
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a Pentax that would work with this.....
http://www.dslrfilmnoob.com/2012/09/05/v-control-usb-focus-controller-video-revi...
Only £115 on Ebay...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Aputure-V-Control-USB-Focus-Controller-/190719432134
These work with Pentax..... Just ordered three
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Trudeau-Twist-Opener-Follow-Focus/dp/B0075429US
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Last Edited by Algernon on 08/01/2013 - 11:41
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Posted 08/01/2013 - 11:36
There's no point anyone ordering one of these as they are not compatible with our Pentax cameras.
It would be a very long way down on my list of things to buy, so low down it wouldn't even be on the list!
Best regards, John
It would be a very long way down on my list of things to buy, so low down it wouldn't even be on the list!
Best regards, John
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Posted 08/01/2013 - 12:40
mecrox wrote:
An FF is not a one-off, I suspect, and is best seen as a process. There likely isn't just one camera which will satisfy all-comers once you get into FF and some fairly hefty money. For example, do you want lots of pixels and DR for landscape or fewer pixels but very good AF and burst rates for sports/action? Folks are really calling for lots of different FF cameras and it's hard to see how Pentax can satisfy them all with just one camera. Eventually, Pentax will need a range of them if they are going to get into FF seriously. Pinning hopes on one Pentax FF is asking too much, although, yes, it could well be important from the POV of upgrades and aspirations.
andrewk wrote:
[snip]
If Pentax are ever to become an aspirational brand again and start to gain market share across their product range, grabbing at least some sales in the PRO market with a FF camera might be an essential part of the process.
Andrew
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I think Pentax having a Full Frame is the better chance of inroads into a larger pro-Market. That would catalyse more amateur sales.
I think Pentax having a Full Frame is the better chance of inroads into a larger pro-Market. That would catalyse more amateur sales.
[snip]
If Pentax are ever to become an aspirational brand again and start to gain market share across their product range, grabbing at least some sales in the PRO market with a FF camera might be an essential part of the process.
Andrew
An FF is not a one-off, I suspect, and is best seen as a process. There likely isn't just one camera which will satisfy all-comers once you get into FF and some fairly hefty money. For example, do you want lots of pixels and DR for landscape or fewer pixels but very good AF and burst rates for sports/action? Folks are really calling for lots of different FF cameras and it's hard to see how Pentax can satisfy them all with just one camera. Eventually, Pentax will need a range of them if they are going to get into FF seriously. Pinning hopes on one Pentax FF is asking too much, although, yes, it could well be important from the POV of upgrades and aspirations.
It will be interesting to see which market their ff will be competing in, given past recent history I would hazard a guess at many megapixels possibly d800 spec for landscapes as opposed to an all out fast sports action model. I do think the all out fast sports model would be more satisfying for pro use and possibly be easier to market, but pentax don't do normal do they???
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Posted 09/01/2013 - 13:09
I would love to have a full frame Pentax . At least the focal length markings of my lenses would fit again.
However I don't believe the Pentax could get a deep hold in the PRO market.
When the Spotmatic arrived, The M series Leicas where still reigning supreme until Nikon ousted it.
This days, the standard punter has not even heard of Pentax and many pro's don't go near it. Pentax, despite being a great innovator, always satisfied the amateur marked. The technical institutes used the Leica or Exacta with the hundreds of accessories at first and then again the Nikons. Very little Pentax was used.
Pentax made some fantastic cameras. my favourite being the Super-A. but still not used by professionals.
The above comments are of course just my own opinion. The Pro's which are using Pentax are just a bit smarter than the ones who don't.
Regards, Horst
However I don't believe the Pentax could get a deep hold in the PRO market.
When the Spotmatic arrived, The M series Leicas where still reigning supreme until Nikon ousted it.
This days, the standard punter has not even heard of Pentax and many pro's don't go near it. Pentax, despite being a great innovator, always satisfied the amateur marked. The technical institutes used the Leica or Exacta with the hundreds of accessories at first and then again the Nikons. Very little Pentax was used.
Pentax made some fantastic cameras. my favourite being the Super-A. but still not used by professionals.
The above comments are of course just my own opinion. The Pro's which are using Pentax are just a bit smarter than the ones who don't.
Regards, Horst
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Posted 09/01/2013 - 13:24
In the early 1960s the two top professional systems were...Nikon and Pentax.
Pentax produced some very special professional and scientific products, such as the Nocta night vision kit for surveillance and the UV Takumar lenses for scientific use, recording oscilloscopes for one.
Pentax Takumar lenses were also used widely in other mounts such as Alpa, who offered them as part of their own range.
Pentax also produced the first fish-eye lens that could be used without locking up the mirror. 1960s fashion photography lapped it up.
That's just a snippet of what went on, back to the FF rame discussion it will be interesting to see what Pentax do, if anything, but whatever it is could be quite unique. The Pentax design team are a canny lot, although they keep making things that appeal to me, which is very annoying to my bank balance....
Best regards, John
Pentax produced some very special professional and scientific products, such as the Nocta night vision kit for surveillance and the UV Takumar lenses for scientific use, recording oscilloscopes for one.
Pentax Takumar lenses were also used widely in other mounts such as Alpa, who offered them as part of their own range.
Pentax also produced the first fish-eye lens that could be used without locking up the mirror. 1960s fashion photography lapped it up.
That's just a snippet of what went on, back to the FF rame discussion it will be interesting to see what Pentax do, if anything, but whatever it is could be quite unique. The Pentax design team are a canny lot, although they keep making things that appeal to me, which is very annoying to my bank balance....
Best regards, John
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Posted 09/01/2013 - 13:32
Don't forget Pentax also produced the LX back in the 80's - a professional specification camera system of the highest order - I knew several Canon and Nikon users who were genuinely impressed, but they stuck to their own brands because of the "buy-in" to those systems...
...a bit like some of us now
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...a bit like some of us now
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Posted 09/01/2013 - 13:50
Smeggypants wrote:
Here's a question for those moist over a Pentax FF ....
How will a FF camera improve the standard of your photography over what you can get from a K-5 or K30?
Here's a question for those moist over a Pentax FF ....
How will a FF camera improve the standard of your photography over what you can get from a K-5 or K30?
Good question. I'm a little moist but only because I have been outside photographing in the drizzle.
My answer is it won't but I'm not bothered about that.
I'm more interested in making use of the different crop factors, I will then have an FA43mm and an FA64mm, two top quality prime lenses for the price of just one. For example. Etc.
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Posted 09/01/2013 - 15:23
I don't think the first Pentax FF will squarely target the 'Pro' market, who are pretty much well served by Canikon. I think they'll chase the fussy, affluent enthusiast, with a fitting companion to the FA limiteds. Just a hunch!
Of course that may well appeal to a lot of pro's too.
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Of course that may well appeal to a lot of pro's too.
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The camera doesn't matter and normally a standard lens would be used.
The camera needs to support some minimal colour depth to yield an image like that. I have an older compact that couldn't do it. Also I believe he has done some post processing to achieve the smooth tonality gradients (that's not just soft lighting). I like this look and I see it more often in FF shots.
I would say it was mostly down to lighting. When this style
was popular in portraiture the idea was to use the
smallest amount of light you could get away with
using VPS120 film.
I've not read all of the PDF but on page 42 he does
state that there's "no excuse not to have technically
perfect output straight from camera."
"As important as the post processing is, it’s stll
imperatve to get the shot out of the camera
as perfect as possible as this makes any creatve
post work a breeze. When shootng in a fully
controlled, pre-planned environment there
really is no excuse not to have technically perfect
output straight from camera."
He also states that he's not really bothered what camera he uses
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