Another pointless thread

I don't think with the current battery performance you'd get from S Wales to the Lakes on one charge ?? on a Hybrid you'd be ok, but that partially defeats the objective

I think you're right there. I think it'd be tight to Reading and back in a day, too, unless there was charging at the site in Reading.
Same goes for Warton, might be a bit tight.
I think for the similar space I'll need going forwards the price of the motor itself will be too high for me. Given my necessary jump from a hatch to an estate.

Great, I'm actually on my fourth Leaf right now, I was an early adopter. Current one (! sic) will do up to about 240 miles on a charge. My first did around 60 miles, but that didn't stop me driving it from the Yorkshire coast over to Lancashre and then down to London and back. Just needed to stop and charge it more often. At first chargers were few and far between, there's many more now. Just stop for a coffee or lunch while the car's on charge and you''re good to go after 15-60 minutes.
As for south Wales to the lales. The distance from Cardiff to Carlisle is 302 mile so many of the current cars would do that with one top up charge. I take it you don't drive those distances non stop? You have to consider that there are chargers now which can output up to 350 kW, and some of todays cars can charge up to 100kW. 50 is the norm for rapid charging. And you can plug in overnight or from solar to et reduced rate electricity or for free or even get paid to charge it. You don't know what you're missing.

As above, I'll unfortunately continue to be unaware of what I'm missing until the market shifts more heavily towards electric and I can find something that suits the ranges required, space requirements and budget.
When that time comes, I'll be sure to consider an electric car.
I should also have specified, I'm S. W. Wales, so far further West than Cardiff. Though that can still go to Carlisle in around 300 miles, it's through the heart of Wales where I'm sure electric chargers are more scarce. S. W. Wales to Reading would be a shade over 150 miles each way which I'd do non-stop.

Although I've been retired some time now there are still people out there like me who do high mileages. I used to do 40,000 a year in the UK and Europe between flying all over the world on business. 300 miles nonstop was just in a days work or should I say to get to work. No time to stop and recharge. Maybe a toilet break and fill up max 10 mins. Kettering, Dover. Prague. One stop fuel, food, toilet. Half hour. Lets see an electric car do that. Anyway I'm now 81 and have what will be my last car. A nice Mitsubishi ASX 2.2 diesel automatic. It'll see me out.
CHEERS Vic.

That's pretty exceptional. Most people write off EVs as they think they'll have to drive from John O'Groats to Lands End non stop in a day to visit a sick relative. The reality is they never have to do that.
Don't fossil fuel cars need refuelling nowadays? What with these charge themselves hybrids we see advertised (don't they even need petrol or diesel then, electricity coming from thunder clouds or something?)
Most journeys people undertake are under five miles, not even long enough to warm the engine and clear the condensation from the exhaust system notwithstanding clogging up a diesel engine's filter!
Then we haven't considered the pollution emitted by a fossil car and its effect on our lungs.
I know old habits die hard!
If 300 mile journeys are a necessity, the Tesla Model 3 will cope with that non stop and many current EVs will exceed 200 miles; more than enough for most of us, so of course 400 miles with just a single stop.

As I said EVs are really expensive here, even with the subsidies. The most basic Leaf with a 40kWh battery is €37,000. The cheapest least powerful Tesla 3 is getting on for €50,000.
Basically if you have a company car then you are fine with an EV. Otherwise they are too expensive. Shame really as nearly every motorway services here has a fast charge station, and all towns have charging poles.
My hairdresser's other half has a Tesla (company car) and they drive to Spain in it a couple of times a year no trouble.

Edit: I think if I needed to make a long journey I'd perhaps hire a car rather than going in the EV.
Waiting for an EV camper that fdoesn't weigh too much and is affordable. No not a converted T2 either.

So a friend from the next town visits you and says 'I'm low on charge, is it OK to plug in?'. Difficult to say no. Do you charge them for it? They wouldn't dream of asking you to pay for petrol, but electricity ... ?

And then, of course, there are the relatives from 300 miles away who turn up with almost nothing in the battery.

Steve

It doesn't cst a lot to charge an EV from a domestic three point outlet. About 4 pounds or less according to most sites I've seen. Not gong to break your bank. But it will be painfully slow charging unless you have a home charger.
Google maps is the friend of any electric car owner, much as I hate to say it.

Not really though they have have started including some. Zap-Map and Plugshare are dedicated sites for chargers and show their status, cost etc. (Google doesn't do that.) Then the supply companies have dedicated sites to show their own ones.
I do most of my charging off solar panels, and then get feed-in tariff paid to me for generating the electricity to do that! My power requirement including charging the car ends up with a net profit each year. Also many of the charging posts you see doted around car parks are free to use, including some of the 50kW rapid chargers.
Leaves plenty of funds to feed LBA.
That journey from the east coast to Lancashire and down to London and back I mentioned didn't cost a penny.

The idea of an electric vehicle didn't ever cross my mind until I just read these last few posts. I don't do many miles a year (around 4000) so my current diesel isn't the best car to have for the short drive to work. I'll have to consider getting something like that as the technology matures.

And I think I need to mature too at some point. My current car has a 3L engine

JAK - I just know that in the Netherlands one of the options on Google Maps is electric charging points.
Some people even let you use their personal ones for a small fee. There are at least 20 charging points in my town. Some are tesla most are type 2 whatever that is!

As I said if we could afford an EV we'd get one one.

Gwyn,
The two I mentioned have world wide coverage. Google came a bit late to the party, for ages they didn't show them at all, so EVers don't tend to use Google to see if they're available, what they cost to use, whether they're working,. On Google users can't input whether they've had a successful or unsuccessful experience as they can with the dedicated sites. Yes Google may show the location but not a lot more.
Level 2 is a charger that can output between 3 and 7 kW (sometimes 11kW for some cars such as the Zoe where 3 phase is available). These are the posts one often see in shopping centres and supermarkets.
Level 1 is a slower charger or socket that allows a home 'granny' charger to be plugged in, often just a household socket on a post.
Level 3 is a rapid charger, 22kW plus; usually 50kW depending on the power supply at the location, sometimes even more.
Making the chargers work can be a bit of a faff. While some use RFID cards or even cashless bank cards, others require the use of a phone app so it quite conceivable to have to have a number of these apps on your phone, if indeed the phone is able to run them. They can be somewhat flaky. Mind some you just plug straight in and charge as you would at home.

Thanks for the info John. The ones in my town have star ratings and comments by some of them on Google Maps. I am sure there is something better out there for Dutch users as well.
We considered a plug-in hybrid for a while as we could use it on electric locally but still have towing capability but the price of those is as bad sadly. We only tow a small trailer for garden rubbish or stuff from the DIY shop, but our son also uses it for moving amongst other things the huge sails from his ship. He only has a motorbike so has to rely on our car...
I'll just have to buy a lottery ticket sometime .

Modern hatchbacks are often far too small for many of us - bought a manual 2007 Skoda Octavia II TDI estate in 2012 with around 68k miles on the clock because the boot area takes 2x large suitcases when (ATM, that's "if ever"!) we go somewhere for the w/end or to the airport for a foreign holiday, and it's still going strong at 132k miles (I look after my vehicles!).

Very little spent recently on TLC etc., but the main issue is that it can't comply with the forthcoming emissions limits in large cities - will probably be looking for a similar, but emissions-compliant, and thus not diesel, vehicle that's been "returned" because "someone else's" PCP payments have now become "too much". One man's "poison" might thus be another's "good idea"????