Well, having seen the thread that has been cited as the reason for that ban I doubt that very much.

Absolutely right. I would have thought, though, this is not the place to discuss those issues. Am I wrong?

Prieni

Absolutely. And I accept that. However, I can go to the replay and judge the situation by myself. I can decide whether it was the right decision, an obviously wrong decision or a close call that was difficult to make.

No replay here, I have to take the referees word that his decision was right. Quite a difference, don't you think?

Prieni

How so? If they would lock this thread things were a bit too obvious. That's how I read it anyway.

Unduly? As I said, for me it is important whether moderation is carried out in a fair and transparent manner or not.

I do agree that he earned the total ban by clearly breaking the rules. I'm sure he did that knowingly. In fairness it has to be said that he had no other way of voicing his view of matters in this forum. That's the downside of banning people, you take their right of defence away from them. That is why a ban is such a serious issue. In real life an accused can answer to the accusations.

And this is also the root of the problem. Let's assume for a moment that the ban was not justified. What could he have done without breaking the rules? Calmly and sensibly sit out the seven days and come back pretending all is well? Well, I for one understand why he was not prepared to adopt this cause of action.

For me an unjustified temporary ban is permanent in everything but the name. How could you return to a forum that issues it's second highest punishment unfairly?

As things stand I doubt that I will stay.

But I guess you are right in that the subject has been exhausted and there will be no more explanations of the moderators (whoever they are) on their actions.

Prieni

Sorry, but it is too important for me. It's deciding whether PUF is still for me or not. If posts are removed in an instant without prior notice and members banned for voicing criticism then this is not the place for me.

Of course the mods have the right to do as they see fit at their discretion, as spelled out in the rules. But I, as every other member, have the freedom to stay or leave. And for me it is important that the moderation is carried out responsibly and fairly.

Prieni

George, I have heard both sides, I have seen the thread that had been removed, I have seen the series of photos that was linked to.

I'm not jumping to any conclusions, it's more like things became more and more apparent as this thread unfolded...

Prieni

Seems notification works again. Could have been finger trouble on my part and not part of the general conspiracy.

And this new identities he assumed when? Before the ban you want to tell us?

That's what I was thinking until that incident, that bans for no reason at all would not occur here. I'm wiser now.

Now saying that people can speak their mind and have done so without knowing zilch is a bit thick if you don't want to make your side of the story public.

Incidentally I have seen the post of the two "offenders" before it was removed. There was nothing offending in that post. Yes, there was a reaction of one of the "culprits" on another site as a reaction to the banning. I would not have done that but when you treat people unfairly you have to live with them speaking out against it.

The original post linking to the flickr page was relevant to photography and therefore quite well suited to the General Chat Forum. I have seen worse examples of concept photography. It was creative and unusual.

I do know the story from the other side, I don't know your story.

I also wonder why I don't receive notifications of updates to this post. Another way of censorship it seems. So it's made more difficult for
I have no idea why you are playing this false play but I'm sure you will loose more than two banned members from this forum. If that's what your intention is then go on.

As you can see from the many responses here (and that without notifications!) it is far from time to move on.

Prieni

I recently bought a Hoya ND400 that has an ever so slight cast.
In the past I did some playing around with two linear polarizers and got a cast similar to the op's but more blueish (which can be interesting nonetheless).

Prieni