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McGregNi wrote:
The question is really over whether the standard flash technique we're talking about, rear curtain sync with a fairly long exposure, could possibly have produced this image alone. In flash-speak the technique is known as 'dragging the shutter', with the long ambient exposure recording the blurred movement and the flash burst right at the end freezing the subject outline. The 2nd curtain sync mode ensures that this outline is positioned in front of the blurred elements, which therefore 'trail' the subject.

But of course the whole bird was moving, not just the tail, so I do not understand why the blurring is only seen on the tail, unless it is a blend of different frames.
I wondered if this is the answer to the mystery - a blend of two or more images. In other words using layers. If so it contravenes the accepted rules for natural history photography
David

Comment by davidtrout posted on Wildlife photographer of the year peoples choice at 08/02/2017 - 00:23

davidtrout
I like to do things the simple way. Just clamp your camera to a tripod, set the timer for a 12 sec delay and then trot round to a pre-focussed chair, adopt an appropriate expression and wait for the click. These new fangled things like selfie sticks are not for me.
David

Comment by davidtrout posted on Weekly #500 - Auto-Portrait at 07/02/2017 - 10:59

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McGregNi wrote:

But I'm not interested in Kingfishers anyway .... I'd be interested to hear the response from someone who is, eg Blythman, who takes great natural looking bird photos. Does he feel the same as me, or is he wowed and inspired to get those lights out and set up down by the lake .... ?
Like you Nigel, I'd like to hear the views of Alan Wennington on this subject.
David

Comment by davidtrout posted on Wildlife photographer of the year peoples choice at 07/02/2017 - 09:46

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royd63uk wrote:
Hi David
This explains it better than i could
link
Thanks for the link Roy. But the examples of trailing curtain sync flash shown in the link don't have the same 'look' as the award winning photo. In each of the examples large areas of the picture have motion blur. The kingfisher photo is beautifully sharp throughout, except for that suspicious blue blur.
David

Comment by davidtrout posted on Wildlife photographer of the year peoples choice at 07/02/2017 - 09:41

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McGregNi wrote:
Never fear !.... I don't know if this is exactly what happened with this image David, but what I think the guys are saying is that there were two 'effective' exposures, one after the other....

The first was the ambient exposure of 1/15thsec, and this recorded the blurred movement ....

The 2nd was the flash exposure of an extremely short duration. (eg 1/15,000th sec), and it was this that recorded he sharp 'frozen' parts ....

The '2nd (or trailing) curtain sync' thing means that the ambient exposure records first and then the flash exposure occurs at the extreme end of the ambient exposure. This ensures that the blurring appears at the 'trailing' (rear) end of the moving object, a natural looking phenomenem.

But. .... The effect is usually seen on the whole subject, as a blurring of the whole subject with a frozen outline, do I agree with David that in this image it appears odd .... Or at least the flash technique I've just described cannot explain everything about the image.
Gosh. This is why I'll never be a bird photographer. Frozen parts, trailing curtains.... this is worse than sitting for hours in a hide waiting for a blue footed booby to appear. No wonder I just take my snaps and then wander off to find a coffee shop that also does bacon sarnies.
David

Comment by davidtrout posted on Wildlife photographer of the year peoples choice at 06/02/2017 - 23:59

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royd63uk wrote:
rear sync flash!
I'm not sure what that means
David

Comment by davidtrout posted on Wildlife photographer of the year peoples choice at 06/02/2017 - 19:53

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I'm mystified by this picture. International competition rules - as recognised by the Royal Photographic Society, PAGB , FIAP, PSA rule that natural history photographs should not be manipulated apart from the most basic cropping or levels adjustments, and sharpening,
That blue streak behind the kingfisher can't be for real, the bird is pin sharp (1/15th sec)? really? If the bird was frozen by flash how come there is a trail at all?
I'm not knocking the excellent photo, all the above organisations would praise this image in an open competition, but in natural history?
I'd be interested to know a lot more about how this picture was achieved.
David

Comment by davidtrout posted on Wildlife photographer of the year peoples choice at 06/02/2017 - 19:49

davidtrout
johnriley wrote:
Don't forget there are prizes for the winner of #500! See the article for details.
Can't find the article referred to.
David

Comment by davidtrout posted on Weekly #500 - Auto-Portrait at 05/02/2017 - 16:45

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That's cheered me up, can't wait for spring. As other have said, lovely saturated colours tastefully done.
David

Comment by davidtrout posted on is Spring in the Air at 05/02/2017 - 10:15

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I use Adobe Creative Cloud and pay monthly so its not painful, even with the small price rise. Photoshop came bundled with Lightroom which I had never used, and still haven't because for some reason I can't open it up on my computer. That doesn't bother me as Photoshop does everything I need.
David

Comment by davidtrout posted on Adobe CC price hike at 05/02/2017 - 10:10

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