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Comment by Daniel Bridge posted on Inkjet Printer for Photos at 23/03/2009 - 16:22
wasleys wrote:
The Wikipedia article on 'Double negative' contains this comment which may help to clarify the situation:
"There isn't a day when I don't think about her." – Prince William, speaking of his mother.
(This is not double negative, since the two negatives are in different clauses. A true double negative would be "there isn't no day when..." The sentence as spoken could only be changed by removing one of the negatives to either "There isn't a day when I think about her" or "There is a day when I don't think about her" neither of which has the intended meaning.)
Note the comment about clauses, a point I had already referred to.
Of course the sentence which started this debate could have been written with two double negatives: "I ain't talking about no people who don't speak no English neither". Or would that be two and a half?
Michael
Daniel Bridge wrote:
"I'm talking about people who's first language is English."
Which means the same thing.
Unfortunately it doesn't; what you have done is to paraphrase the sentence by removing both nots. A double negative when corrected would retain one of them. mowog wrote:
I'm not talking about people who's first language is not English.
Take the 'not's out, and you have:I'm not talking about people who's first language is not English.
"I'm talking about people who's first language is English."
Which means the same thing.
The Wikipedia article on 'Double negative' contains this comment which may help to clarify the situation:
"There isn't a day when I don't think about her." – Prince William, speaking of his mother.
(This is not double negative, since the two negatives are in different clauses. A true double negative would be "there isn't no day when..." The sentence as spoken could only be changed by removing one of the negatives to either "There isn't a day when I think about her" or "There is a day when I don't think about her" neither of which has the intended meaning.)
Note the comment about clauses, a point I had already referred to.
Of course the sentence which started this debate could have been written with two double negatives: "I ain't talking about no people who don't speak no English neither". Or would that be two and a half?
Michael
Mannesty wrote:
Thanks Dan. That's also my understanding of a double negative. Or at least it was, now I'm not so sure that I'm not confused.
Having never really delved into the meaning of double negatives, I'd always assumed that two superfluous 'not's would be an example, but I'm happy to admit I was wrong, and I've learned something here, so thank you Michael. Thanks Dan. That's also my understanding of a double negative. Or at least it was, now I'm not so sure that I'm not confused.
However, I would still take issue with your assertion that:
wasleys wrote:
Unless the "Unfortunately it doesn't" refers to there being a double negative involved. I would still argue that the two sentences mean exactly the same thing, just as changing "There isn't a day when I don't think about her" to "Every day I think about her" does.Daniel Bridge wrote:
"I'm talking about people who's first language is English."
Which means the same thing.
Unfortunately it doesn't; what you have done is to paraphrase the sentence by removing both nots. A double negative when corrected would retain one of them.mowog wrote:
I'm not talking about people who's first language is not English.
Take the 'not's out, and you have:I'm not talking about people who's first language is not English.
"I'm talking about people who's first language is English."
Which means the same thing.
Cut down the waffle, I say! And talking of brevity, where is George?
Dan
Comment by Daniel Bridge posted on Bad spelin' at 23/03/2009 - 12:46
wasleys wrote:
...in a double negative the two negatives cancel (or we might even say negate ) each other and so make a positive... That didn't happen in the sentence that was questioned.
Yes it did....in a double negative the two negatives cancel (or we might even say negate ) each other and so make a positive... That didn't happen in the sentence that was questioned.
mowog wrote:
I'm not talking about people who's first language is not English.
Take the 'not's out, and you have:I'm not talking about people who's first language is not English.
"I'm talking about people who's first language is English."
Which means the same thing.
Dan
Comment by Daniel Bridge posted on Bad spelin' at 22/03/2009 - 01:04
hefty1 wrote:
I've had a good play with the bellows anyway and I've tried out the slide copier. The 50mm lenses come closest to fitting the whole slide in but still chop off the edges so I'm off to eBay shortly to see what catches my eye in the 70-80mm range.
Have I misunderstood you, or have you just said that the 50mm didn't let you fit the whole slide in, so now you're looking for a 70-80mm?I've had a good play with the bellows anyway and I've tried out the slide copier. The 50mm lenses come closest to fitting the whole slide in but still chop off the edges so I'm off to eBay shortly to see what catches my eye in the 70-80mm range.
Surely you'd need to go for a wider lens rather than a longer one?
Not something I've tried doing, so I may well be wrong.
Dan
Comment by Daniel Bridge posted on 100mm Macro and other bits on eBay at 19/03/2009 - 23:49
Ha ha Peter! Nice one.
Thought I'd wandered onto a Canon forum for minute there... "I've got a big one", "No, mine's bigger..."
Dan
Thought I'd wandered onto a Canon forum for minute there... "I've got a big one", "No, mine's bigger..."
Dan
Comment by Daniel Bridge posted on get your big one or ones out. at 15/03/2009 - 00:09
Gwyn wrote:
Ah! You can tell the newbies who don't know Ben
Who? Ah! You can tell the newbies who don't know Ben
Dan
Comment by Daniel Bridge posted on Spring Magazine at 15/03/2009 - 00:04
Oggy wrote:
The magpie is interesting. All the ones I have seen are black/white.
No they weren't, you just didn't see them in the right light. The magpie is interesting. All the ones I have seen are black/white.
bforbes wrote:
Do Pentax do an eyecup that you can have a prescription lens fitted to?
I don't know whether Pentax do, but the basic rubber eyecups that I use (like this one) have a circular, threaded hole that can hold a dioptre lens, so I would imagine an optician could supply a prescription lens for it. Do Pentax do an eyecup that you can have a prescription lens fitted to?
Dan
Comment by Daniel Bridge posted on DA* 300 1st Attempt at 14/03/2009 - 20:45
Anvh wrote:
...if you're 100% human you can't be 100% perfect you see.
Ahh, I see you're mistaken. ...if you're 100% human you can't be 100% perfect you see.
Dan
Comment by Daniel Bridge posted on "This lens is soft" and other myths at 14/03/2009 - 20:22
How about this bit?
"Even if this tome is all the more supplementary contrasti held dear than any of the t-shirts, mugs, etc happening gone Cafe Implore depot it’s curving added method in the direction of the NCCF in its greatest four days than the adequate Cafe Entreat plant did up-to-date a year. We’re musty to a pleasant set off."
Dan
"Even if this tome is all the more supplementary contrasti held dear than any of the t-shirts, mugs, etc happening gone Cafe Implore depot it’s curving added method in the direction of the NCCF in its greatest four days than the adequate Cafe Entreat plant did up-to-date a year. We’re musty to a pleasant set off."
Dan
Comment by Daniel Bridge posted on More news of Pentax new DSLR on Pentax blog.. at 14/03/2009 - 20:13
Anvh wrote:
nothing in this world is 100% perfect afterall certainly not humans.
Speak for yourself! nothing in this world is 100% perfect afterall certainly not humans.
Dan
Comment by Daniel Bridge posted on "This lens is soft" and other myths at 13/03/2009 - 20:00
I originally chose Canon (an i850) a few years ago when a magazine review showed it printed as well as the comparable Epson, but in about a quarter of the time.
Dan