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It's not a fault in the testing or my eyesight. The results are consistently out of focus on the k10d and in focus on the ist ds.
Certainly if you're getting consistently different results with two cameras and that is the only variable, it suggests that at least one of them is duff.

Forgive a dumb question, but are you using the spot focusing setting?

It's not on 'Sel' with something other than the centre spot selected, is it?

And you're definitely using the green hexagon, not the appearance of the red dot, to tell you it thinks it's in focus?

Other than these possibilities, it's sounding more and more like there's something amiss.

Comment by ChrisA posted on manual focus problems on k10d at 30/07/2007 - 20:24

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no focussing issues here.

Interesting afternoon.
Glad to hear your camera's Ok, Peter.

A thought strikes me... with digital it's now incredibly easy to set up these quick tests, and just as easy to disseminate the results.

A few years ago, when we were all using film, how many would have bothered to look into this kind of thing?

Comment by ChrisA posted on manual focus problems on k10d at 30/07/2007 - 18:30

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Chris, I get very similar results as you with my FA 50mm 1:1.4 lens. The lower 2mm marker is sharper than the upper one.
Not entirely convinced. The CA shows green below and magenta above, so the lower one looks sharper, with the magenta above making it look less sharp. But I think the green blur extends as far as the magenta one - or if not it's beyond the precision of the experiment. It's only a 600 dpi laser printer, and ordinary paper.

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Comment by ChrisA posted on manual focus problems on k10d at 30/07/2007 - 16:41

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I had him hold a CD with text on it about an inch or two in front of his face and I focused on the text. After that all the pics were perfectly focused.
But that isn't a precise measurement. A "held" item will be in reality waving about anywhere and everywhere. Your camera would need to be on a tripod and so would the CD for this to be meaningful.
Quite so.

I find it disappointing that when people understandably worry about whether it's their equipment or their technique at fault, the 'tests' they do to establish which it is are often very poorly designed, and allow no firm conclusions to be drawn.

I'm not saying that DXG is wrong, just that his tests are not conclusive.

Remember - the more unlikely the claim, the more rigorous the test needs to be to prove it beyond doubt.

In this case, the test is trivially simple to do, providing you're careful. Equipment required: chair, tripod, camera.

Ensuring that the focus is extremely accurately in the centre of the region desired is not, however, easy, since it's very easy for slack in the tripod or even the carpet to result in slight movement between the positioning and capturing the test image.

I had a go at this just now. Sadly, it seems I must continue to blame only myself when my pictures are unsharp:

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Edit: I should have said, focus was set to spot, and I got the green hexagon when the very centre of the frame was aimed at the "this text should be perfectly in focus" part of the chart, which was stuck to a flat piece of card.

In DXG's case, the chart doesn't seem to be straight in the first one at least, and with such a short focal length lens, it would be a lot harder to point it accurately than with the 300mm I was using. I'd like to know a bit more about his setup before I believed the results.

Comment by ChrisA posted on manual focus problems on k10d at 30/07/2007 - 14:31

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The first one is straight I tell ya..
I'm not entirely convinced. I agree the differing distances of the bank make it look worse than it is, but it also appears to me that the base of the layer of cumulus above the most distant part of the water is not quite parallel to the edge either. Cumulus cloudbases are usually pretty horizontal. Not always, though, so I withdraw the "definitely"

I tried a 0.5 degree clockwise rotation, and to my eye it all seemed a lot better.

Comment by ChrisA posted on What a difference an hour makes... at 29/07/2007 - 12:06

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on the second one. Though horizon a little too central.
I think this is an example of where breaking the rules is the right thing to do.

The way the shape of the tree line is suggestive of the shape of the water creates an almost-line of symmetry that works very well half way up the frame.

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Also may just be me, but is the horizon straight on the first one?
Definitely a bit wonky in the first one.

Comment by ChrisA posted on What a difference an hour makes... at 29/07/2007 - 11:31

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George Lazarette wrote:


.......... the poor chap is suffering from satyriasis.

G
For the avoidance of doubt, I was referring to the giant, not Chris.

G
Phew. For a moment there I thought people had been talking...

Comment by ChrisA posted on For all the Simpsons fans out there... at 29/07/2007 - 16:00

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I like the photos though ChrisA - did you have to fight your way through the crowds to take it?
Thanks. No crowds, though. Here's a bit more of a clue as to the vantage point...

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Comment by ChrisA posted on For all the Simpsons fans out there... at 29/07/2007 - 12:58

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This is from a bit further away - the village of Cerne Abbas. The figures are on the green rounded hill to the left of the village.

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Comment by ChrisA posted on For all the Simpsons fans out there... at 28/07/2007 - 22:33

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Comment by ChrisA posted on For all the Simpsons fans out there... at 28/07/2007 - 19:44

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