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Posted 21/10/2018 - 15:43
Honda sold over 60 Million Honda Cubs almost double that of the best selling car 
Cars are DOOMED...... Mopeds are the FUTURE 
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Algi
Last Edited by Algernon on 21/10/2018 - 15:44
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Posted 21/10/2018 - 15:55
johnha wrote:
Everybody seems to want superb video,
Everybody seems to want superb video,
Do they though? A few vocal individuals could make it seem that way, but in my own circle of photographically inclined friends & acquaintances there's precisely none that have any interest in video beyond a quick clip on a 'phone for posting on soshal meeja.
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Posted 21/10/2018 - 16:47
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I don't think video is the be-all-and-end-all, video bloggers are becoming much more technical in their video production. One I saw recently had five cameras on the go, these weren't high-end mirrorless but the minimal that could deliver 1080p HD content. Drones will increasingly become the defacto production tools - replacing selphie sticks and multiple tripod mounted cameras. I can't see Pentax being able to compete in these markets (neither will high-end, FF mirrorless cameras - the costs would be too high).
Everybody seems to want superb video, but how are they using it? Video blogging is one application, but what are the others, home movies? I'm genuinely interested in those from this forum who have moved away for better video - what are you doing with it?
The 645Z was the first medium format camera ever to do video - but the nay sayers reported it as the usual mediocre Pentax video offering - some people are never satisfied.
Pentax can't influence third party manufacturers and nor should they. How could they justify spending the R&D on new lenses if half their market is swallowed up by independents at cheaper prices?
I don't think video is the be-all-and-end-all, video bloggers are becoming much more technical in their video production. One I saw recently had five cameras on the go, these weren't high-end mirrorless but the minimal that could deliver 1080p HD content. Drones will increasingly become the defacto production tools - replacing selphie sticks and multiple tripod mounted cameras. I can't see Pentax being able to compete in these markets (neither will high-end, FF mirrorless cameras - the costs would be too high).
Everybody seems to want superb video, but how are they using it? Video blogging is one application, but what are the others, home movies? I'm genuinely interested in those from this forum who have moved away for better video - what are you doing with it?
The 645Z was the first medium format camera ever to do video - but the nay sayers reported it as the usual mediocre Pentax video offering - some people are never satisfied.
Pentax can't influence third party manufacturers and nor should they. How could they justify spending the R&D on new lenses if half their market is swallowed up by independents at cheaper prices?
1) I have clients that want stills and video... video pays more in terms of wages per hour for completed work.
2) Corporate gigs and events ALWAYS want video and if they have to choose between the two, video always seems to win... (everybody's got cell phones to snap stills with but no one seems to get decent video with cell phones).
3) I will often make and use videos for self promotion (even if its a video of a photoshoot) or movie trailers or pitches when applying for financing and grants...
that is how I use video... sure I might not use a RED came or Sony Venice to shoot the trailer or pitch, but the video must look good so I can get the budget approved to rent the cinema cams to make the real project and the trailer has to be at least compelling enough that they hand the $80,000.00 cameras to do the job.
Fired many shots. Didn't kill anything.
Last Edited by Don on 21/10/2018 - 16:48
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Posted 21/10/2018 - 18:51
Algernon wrote:
Honda sold over 60 Million Honda Cubs almost double that of the best selling car Cars are DOOMED...... Mopeds are the FUTURE
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Honda sold over 60 Million Honda Cubs almost double that of the best selling car
Cars are DOOMED...... Mopeds are the FUTURE --
Isnt the Motor cycle market all but Japanese these days... And Harley Davison in the USA... With Triumph all but playng at it. to get grants to stay alive.. BSA in the UK museum's. Kinda proves my point. The ones who inovated and advertise are still around.
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Last Edited by stub on 21/10/2018 - 18:54
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Posted 21/10/2018 - 19:53
Pentax are very good at surviving...... Samsung split away from the K mount and brought out some of the best mirrorless cameras ever made, but didn't survive despite having their own display cases in dealers and their name on signs over the shops. Spending a lot on advertising etc.
Video is becoming more and more specialist every year.
As my grandmother used to say "An old windmill goes on creaking forever".
Ansel Adams once replied to someone who asked what was the best camera... , that it was the biggest one that he could carry
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Video is becoming more and more specialist every year.
As my grandmother used to say "An old windmill goes on creaking forever".
Ansel Adams once replied to someone who asked what was the best camera... , that it was the biggest one that he could carry
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Posted 21/10/2018 - 21:11
A quick search will show that the best video cameras are not necessarily best choice for stills. Another interesting reveal is that a high frame per second rate will not necessarily translate Into more useable captures as the tracking focus cannot keep up, or it relies on reducing the sensor area for smaller processing requirements. There are several such instances where cameras have hyped features which fall short in reality. On paper Pentax might seem to come up short in these respects but you know that you will get what it claims without hidden compromises. On one of Cameraville’s vlogs he compares the K1’s 4.5f/sec frame rate with another at 7f/sec and succinctly points out he would prefer the better images at 4.5f/sec any day.
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Posted 22/10/2018 - 02:37
We hear a lot about the shortage of FF lenses in Pentax land. The question is, how many lenses do we need?
At or around the time Pentax launched the K-1, they released 5 zoom lenses covering a range from 15-450mm. I actually managed to cover this range with just 4 of these.
Then we hear about the imagined dearth of prime lenses. Well, there is the new 50mm 1.4 which I would really like to have, but they do offer a lower cost alternative 50mm 1.4. And the 50mm macro. The range of primes also includes the three Limited lenses at 31mm, 43mm, and 77mm, all quite fast and very good quality lenses. Their 100mm macro might also be thought of as a Limited, it's such a sharp lens. For extra length the 200mm, 300mm and if you really need or can afford it the 560mm prime do offer extra reach. Some of these were designed either for film or designated APS-C, but all are top notch lenses on the K-1.
There are a plethera of wide angle and an 85mm produced by other manufacturers for K mount FF, (and in time these focal lengths will offered by Pentax), so surely there's enough to choose from in this range.
Personally, I stick with Pentax. I'm happy enough with the old A series 20mm, 24mm, and 85mm lenses, and added the FA series 28, 35, 50 and 135, because they are so affordable. I also have fun with another handful of DA lenses that are not considered FF but actually work well enough for me.
I just don't see the relatively small number of lenses for FF K mount as a significant problem, there's plenty to choose from covering the 15mm to 560mm range. For a brand with such a small user base, I think Pentax are punching well above their weight, and offer good value for money. Photography for me is a hobby, and for what I use my cameras for (landscape, architecture, nature, and people) Pentax never fails to impress.
The grass under my feet is perfectly green, it's the photographer that needs to improve.
At or around the time Pentax launched the K-1, they released 5 zoom lenses covering a range from 15-450mm. I actually managed to cover this range with just 4 of these.
Then we hear about the imagined dearth of prime lenses. Well, there is the new 50mm 1.4 which I would really like to have, but they do offer a lower cost alternative 50mm 1.4. And the 50mm macro. The range of primes also includes the three Limited lenses at 31mm, 43mm, and 77mm, all quite fast and very good quality lenses. Their 100mm macro might also be thought of as a Limited, it's such a sharp lens. For extra length the 200mm, 300mm and if you really need or can afford it the 560mm prime do offer extra reach. Some of these were designed either for film or designated APS-C, but all are top notch lenses on the K-1.
There are a plethera of wide angle and an 85mm produced by other manufacturers for K mount FF, (and in time these focal lengths will offered by Pentax), so surely there's enough to choose from in this range.
Personally, I stick with Pentax. I'm happy enough with the old A series 20mm, 24mm, and 85mm lenses, and added the FA series 28, 35, 50 and 135, because they are so affordable. I also have fun with another handful of DA lenses that are not considered FF but actually work well enough for me.
I just don't see the relatively small number of lenses for FF K mount as a significant problem, there's plenty to choose from covering the 15mm to 560mm range. For a brand with such a small user base, I think Pentax are punching well above their weight, and offer good value for money. Photography for me is a hobby, and for what I use my cameras for (landscape, architecture, nature, and people) Pentax never fails to impress.
The grass under my feet is perfectly green, it's the photographer that needs to improve.
Last Edited by ronniemac on 22/10/2018 - 02:40
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Posted 22/10/2018 - 12:28
ronniemac wrote:
Perfect example of why I don't have any issues with sticking with Pentax. In fact, my only issue is that I need to get out and use my kit more.
All the gear with no idea
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Posted 22/10/2018 - 14:04
ronniemac wrote:
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….with great eloquence and mirrored my feelings towards Pentax precisely
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Posted 22/10/2018 - 14:10
LennyBloke wrote:
….with great eloquence and mirrored my feelings towards Pentax precisely
ronniemac wrote:
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….with great eloquence and mirrored my feelings towards Pentax precisely
Absolutely.
I think Pentax were testing the water for mirrorless with the K-01 and it didn't prove particularly popular. So no doubt once bitten, twice shy.
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Posted 22/10/2018 - 15:05
Yes, Pentax have covered the full frame lens range. But you missed a vital word... "Choice"... With Pentax. Primarily you've got one lens covering each length.. But its the best they can produce. So its going to be expensive. Take it or leave it.. I love my K1 and lenses and certainly wont be giving them up any time soon.. But I dont like to see the brand dwindling in customers, but easy to see why it is...
If they dont need to enter the mirrorless market because they cant create a large enough market share. Why did they enter the full frame market ? They could have gone for it whole heartedly with the APSC market..
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If they dont need to enter the mirrorless market because they cant create a large enough market share. Why did they enter the full frame market ? They could have gone for it whole heartedly with the APSC market..
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Posted 22/10/2018 - 15:17
I suppose we could also ask why enter the medium format market, but the reality was that they couldn't make the 645Z fast enough to keep up with demand. The same was true of the K-1. The new 50mm f/1.4 lens has also been subjects to shortages.
So if Pentax can sell everything they can make that must be pretty good. Expanding too fast would be a very dangerous situation and many companies have fallen foul of that.
I don't think we actually know that Pentax sales are doing - are they up or down? Is profit up or down?
At the end of the day I shoot pictures and I've assembled a full frame kit consisting of the 17-28mm Fisheye Zoom, FA 20-35mm f/4, 28-105mm, 43mm Limited, 50mm Macro, 100mm macro and 150-450mm, plus a Samyang 14mm f/2.8. That covers just about everything and doesn't weigh too much either.
Best regards, John
So if Pentax can sell everything they can make that must be pretty good. Expanding too fast would be a very dangerous situation and many companies have fallen foul of that.
I don't think we actually know that Pentax sales are doing - are they up or down? Is profit up or down?
At the end of the day I shoot pictures and I've assembled a full frame kit consisting of the 17-28mm Fisheye Zoom, FA 20-35mm f/4, 28-105mm, 43mm Limited, 50mm Macro, 100mm macro and 150-450mm, plus a Samyang 14mm f/2.8. That covers just about everything and doesn't weigh too much either.
Best regards, John
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