Pentax K-01
Posted 09/02/2012 - 12:21
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dcweather wrote:
Alternatively, dSLRs with dioptre adjustment are available, presumably including the one you already own.
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Of course - that's the whole point. That's why we need it. The LCD screen doesn't and so we can't see it!!!
Some people need a door in the side of their bath, does that mean all baths need to have doors? What I'm saying is that Pentax offer you the choice of DSLRs with diopter adjustment (and probably EVF cameras too in the future), or a camera with just an LCD screen. You then pay your money and make your choice. Alternatively, dSLRs with dioptre adjustment are available, presumably including the one you already own.
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Of course - that's the whole point. That's why we need it. The LCD screen doesn't and so we can't see it!!!
Clearly the sort of market Pentax are targeting this camera at are perfectly comfortable using screens - on their camera, android phone, Ipad, SatNav, Nintendo DS, etc etc...
Posted 09/02/2012 - 12:32
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Don wrote:
OMG OMG OMG!!! the Pentax mirrorless is too thick! keeping the k-mount means you lose the benefits of mirrorless which is thinner smaller cameras!
Says the people that want a camera that fits in their shirt pockets.
Morons forgot they need a lens, though...
Just looking at the picture Don and it brings to mind:
OMG OMG OMG!!! the Pentax mirrorless is too thick! keeping the k-mount means you lose the benefits of mirrorless which is thinner smaller cameras!
Says the people that want a camera that fits in their shirt pockets.
Morons forgot they need a lens, though...
On the left, Fisher Price cam toy for 3-5 yr olds, on the right, a cutting edge cool to be seen with camera for 17-45 yr olds.
With or without a lens, thinner wins. Look at mobile phones, then imagine a clunky fat one is released, would it be widely accepted?
Only an opinion and observation. The K-01 is indeed a very very brave move by Pentax.
The lens road map has been better accepted. Let's see how it sells. I've no doubts that the results will be very good.
Best regards
Too far from a shore.
Posted 09/02/2012 - 12:34
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wvbarnes wrote:
I thought Pentax designers were doing just fine before. Buttons in the right places, easy to use menus, compact bodies compared with the opposition,ergonomic shutter release positions,quality optical viewfinders, pleasant to the touch materials etc.
I could not agree more Bill! This 'K7 Designer's Story' is quite interesting: LINKI thought Pentax designers were doing just fine before. Buttons in the right places, easy to use menus, compact bodies compared with the opposition,ergonomic shutter release positions,quality optical viewfinders, pleasant to the touch materials etc.
The effort and thought that went into every aspect of ergonimics, aesthetics, and minimising the size of the camera, is impressive. It seems a bit of a shame that we all heard of Mr Newson, but not Toshihiro Hamamura and Takeharu Shin.
Posted 09/02/2012 - 12:38
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K10D wrote:
On the left, Fisher Price cam toy for 3-5 yr olds, on the right, a cutting edge cool to be seen with camera for 17-45 yr olds.
With or without a lens, thinner wins. Look at mobile phones, then imagine a clunky fat one is released, would it be widely accepted?
I have to agree, unfortunately! I don't think as thin a camera as the NEX is a 'must', but the K-01 seems to have been designed to make is look as fat and clunky as possible! The new Canon has about the same maximum dimensions as the K-01, yet looks much more svelte and conveys 'hi-tech'.On the left, Fisher Price cam toy for 3-5 yr olds, on the right, a cutting edge cool to be seen with camera for 17-45 yr olds.
With or without a lens, thinner wins. Look at mobile phones, then imagine a clunky fat one is released, would it be widely accepted?
I am looking at the K-01 as the block from which Pentax are going to carve their next mirrorless camera....
Posted 09/02/2012 - 13:18
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You would never hold that Sony steady on a tripod and even if you did the first big lens you put on it would probably rip the tripod bush out.
It's not that small either with a lens. The 24mm on this page link
is absolutely massive. (posted by Pentaxophile).
It's a good job that photographers in the 60's didn't choose cameras based on plan views and thicknesses Leica's would have won and SLR's would never have caught on. Pentax wouldn't have survived. The Hasselblad would have been far to thick and the Rolleiflex would be the King
It's not that small either with a lens. The 24mm on this page link
is absolutely massive. (posted by Pentaxophile).
It's a good job that photographers in the 60's didn't choose cameras based on plan views and thicknesses Leica's would have won and SLR's would never have caught on. Pentax wouldn't have survived. The Hasselblad would have been far to thick and the Rolleiflex would be the King
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Pentax K-1 + K-5 and some other stuff
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Posted 09/02/2012 - 13:37 - Helpful Comment
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I still don't see the point of buying something like the Sony when the Pentax gives better image quality.
I say this based on my experience of Sony cameras. I've always found the colour and detail to be disappointing and am soon glad to get back to that fabulous Pentax coliur and general rendering.
Although the K-01 looks really quirky, and attractively so in my opinion, it's not the looks that make me want one, but the potential of how I can use it to my photographic advantage.
I say this based on my experience of Sony cameras. I've always found the colour and detail to be disappointing and am soon glad to get back to that fabulous Pentax coliur and general rendering.
Although the K-01 looks really quirky, and attractively so in my opinion, it's not the looks that make me want one, but the potential of how I can use it to my photographic advantage.
Best regards, John
Posted 09/02/2012 - 13:40
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Algi
There was however a lot of competitive downsizing in the 70's.
Using a huge telephoto on the Sony is possible though. You support the lens rather than the camera.
But they are not designed for that sort of use, as a DSLR is clearly so much better. These smaller MILCs are aimed more at street and social shooting for use with pancakes and other small primes.
The K-01 isn't really optimised for discreet street shooting, or for using with long lenses (DSLR, with it's eye level VF still much better). That's the problem.
There was however a lot of competitive downsizing in the 70's.
Using a huge telephoto on the Sony is possible though. You support the lens rather than the camera.
But they are not designed for that sort of use, as a DSLR is clearly so much better. These smaller MILCs are aimed more at street and social shooting for use with pancakes and other small primes.
The K-01 isn't really optimised for discreet street shooting, or for using with long lenses (DSLR, with it's eye level VF still much better). That's the problem.
Posted 09/02/2012 - 13:43
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I'm not sure you'd use a K-01 with a long telephoto hand held. But you might mount the lens on a tripod, leave the head free to move and use the screen to view comfortably for relatively long periods of time.
Having your eye pressed to a viewfinder can become tiring after a while.
Unfortunately this technique doesn't work too well with LiveView as the image lags too much, which is annoying. The K-01 screen will have to be faster to respond, but we'll see when we get to try one.
Having your eye pressed to a viewfinder can become tiring after a while.
Unfortunately this technique doesn't work too well with LiveView as the image lags too much, which is annoying. The K-01 screen will have to be faster to respond, but we'll see when we get to try one.
Best regards, John
Posted 09/02/2012 - 17:13
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Pentaxophile wrote:
Algi
The K-01 isn't really optimised for discreet street shooting...
I thought they made it bright yellow to hide amoung all the speed cameras etc!
Algi
The K-01 isn't really optimised for discreet street shooting...
Mike
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Pentax:K5ii, K7, K100D, DA18-55, DA10-17, DA55-300, DA50-200, F100-300, F50, DA35 AL, 4* M50, 2* M135, Helicoid extension, Tak 300 f4 (& 6 film bodies)
3rd Party: Bigmos (Sigma 150-500mm OS HSM),2* 28mm, 100mm macro, 28-200 zoom, 35-80 zoom, 80-200 zoom, 80-210 zoom, 300mm M42, 600 mirror, 1000-4000 scope, 50mm M42, enlarger lenses, Sony & micro 4/3 cameras with various PK mounts, Zenit E...
Far to many tele-converters, adapters, project parts & extension tubes etc.
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Posted 09/02/2012 - 20:22
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johnriley wrote:
I still don't see the point of buying something like the Sony when the Pentax gives better image quality.
I say this based on my experience of Sony cameras. I've always found the colour and detail to be disappointing and am soon glad to get back to that fabulous Pentax coliur and general rendering.
Although the K-01 looks really quirky, and attractively so in my opinion, it's not the looks that make me want one, but the potential of how I can use it to my photographic advantage.
I absolutely agree John.
I still don't see the point of buying something like the Sony when the Pentax gives better image quality.
I say this based on my experience of Sony cameras. I've always found the colour and detail to be disappointing and am soon glad to get back to that fabulous Pentax coliur and general rendering.
Although the K-01 looks really quirky, and attractively so in my opinion, it's not the looks that make me want one, but the potential of how I can use it to my photographic advantage.
Posted 09/02/2012 - 23:23
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Pentaxophile wrote:
The effort and thought that went into every aspect of ergonimics, aesthetics, and minimising the size of the camera, is impressive. It seems a bit of a shame that we all heard of Mr Newson, but not Toshihiro Hamamura and Takeharu Shin.
In fairness I had not heard of Mr. Newson until Fisher pri ... sorry Pentax employed him.wvbarnes wrote:
I thought Pentax designers were doing just fine before. Buttons in the right places, easy to use menus, compact bodies compared with the opposition,ergonomic shutter release positions,quality optical viewfinders, pleasant to the touch materials etc.
I could not agree more Bill! This 'K7 Designer's Story' is quite interesting: LINKI thought Pentax designers were doing just fine before. Buttons in the right places, easy to use menus, compact bodies compared with the opposition,ergonomic shutter release positions,quality optical viewfinders, pleasant to the touch materials etc.
The effort and thought that went into every aspect of ergonimics, aesthetics, and minimising the size of the camera, is impressive. It seems a bit of a shame that we all heard of Mr Newson, but not Toshihiro Hamamura and Takeharu Shin.
Got agree with yours and K10D's posts
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Mike
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Posted 10/02/2012 - 01:36
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ronniemac wrote:
And so do I but I see many more Sony's and Panasonics in use out on the streets compared to DSLR's in general. johnriley wrote:
I still don't see the point of buying something like the Sony when the Pentax gives better image quality.
I say this based on my experience of Sony cameras. I've always found the colour and detail to be disappointing and am soon glad to get back to that fabulous Pentax coliur and general rendering.
Although the K-01 looks really quirky, and attractively so in my opinion, it's not the looks that make me want one, but the potential of how I can use it to my photographic advantage.
I absolutely agree John.I still don't see the point of buying something like the Sony when the Pentax gives better image quality.
I say this based on my experience of Sony cameras. I've always found the colour and detail to be disappointing and am soon glad to get back to that fabulous Pentax coliur and general rendering.
Although the K-01 looks really quirky, and attractively so in my opinion, it's not the looks that make me want one, but the potential of how I can use it to my photographic advantage.
Joe public buys cameras that make profits, not photographers.
Best regards
Too far from a shore.
Posted 10/02/2012 - 08:56
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I would guess the average compact camera buyer makes their decision purely on name, design and megapixel count.
The Sony has all of those things .. the Pentax has megapixels, the design is questionable at best and most people under the age of 30 haven't even heard of Pentax or don't realise they are still making cameras.
Hopefully Ricoh can start rectifying those things.
The Sony has all of those things .. the Pentax has megapixels, the design is questionable at best and most people under the age of 30 haven't even heard of Pentax or don't realise they are still making cameras.
Hopefully Ricoh can start rectifying those things.
Posted 11/02/2012 - 01:01
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Pentaxophile wrote:
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Yes, I agree. There just seemed to be some confusion about why cameras without dioptre adjustable viewfinders are difficult for people with reading glasses.
Clearly the sort of market Pentax are targeting this camera at are perfectly comfortable using screens - on their camera, android phone, Ipad, SatNav, Nintendo DS, etc etc...
dcweather wrote:
Alternatively, dSLRs with dioptre adjustment are available, presumably including the one you already own.
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Of course - that's the whole point. That's why we need it. The LCD screen doesn't and so we can't see it!!!
Some people need a door in the side of their bath, does that mean all baths need to have doors? What I'm saying is that Pentax offer you the choice of DSLRs with diopter adjustment (and probably EVF cameras too in the future), or a camera with just an LCD screen. You then pay your money and make your choice. Alternatively, dSLRs with dioptre adjustment are available, presumably including the one you already own.
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Of course - that's the whole point. That's why we need it. The LCD screen doesn't and so we can't see it!!!
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Yes, I agree. There just seemed to be some confusion about why cameras without dioptre adjustable viewfinders are difficult for people with reading glasses.
Clearly the sort of market Pentax are targeting this camera at are perfectly comfortable using screens - on their camera, android phone, Ipad, SatNav, Nintendo DS, etc etc...
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