iPad or iPad Which One?

Posted 03/02/2010 - 20:32 Link
thoughton wrote:
How many times are you going to bang on about your alleged lab full of broken macs? Do you, who is apparently some kind of IT professional, seriously believe that Apple hardware has a failure rate any different to Windows PCs?
Yes, because that is real-life experience with Apple computers, whether it suits you or not. In the 2.5 years that I've supported them, I have seen about 9 of them die, out of a population of 25. I have a photo of a number of dead Macs in my office waiting to be taken away somewhere, let me see ..

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In my time I've had several stacks of good Macs, as I've learned to think of them, taken away by our PC disposal team for recycling, after removing memory and hard drives. That was the merely the first.

Oh, and I'd forgotten until I dug out that photo - I've also had three PowerMac G5s fail, and disposed of.

In that time I've had two hardware faults with AMD 64 PCs (from a population of 8 growing to about 15), both rectified easily by the installation of a new power supply.
Posted 03/02/2010 - 20:34 Link
By the way while comments on my photography there are welcome, I feel duty-bound to confess that I didn't take it using a Pentax
Anvh
Posted 03/02/2010 - 22:21 Link
lonegroover wrote:
Anvh wrote:
A serious question, can Mac be used as a carrier for a virus (malware)?
Depends what you mean by 'carrier'. Certainly a virus could be passed through a Mac in some circumstances, but not by a method which relies on the host becoming infected - unless it's a Mac virus, but then you wouldn't use the term "carrier" I guess.
The first one that's what I meant, so a infected file quite be lay dormend on a Mac till you send it to windows user for example right?

No sorry, Danny, I don't get it
But we did went into this point seriously.

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Unlocker wrote:

Unlocker wrote:
and only one of theses is a virus, and it is only proof of concept.
And you said something about reading?
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Until October 2007, the malware landscape for Apple’s OS X had been largely unspectacular. Two exploits, four worms, one virus and one rootkit - and these were all essentially proof of concept creations
See that word before virus? It's spelt o n e or one or 1 if you like.

See those words after virus, they include the words 'proof' and 'of' and 'concept'

Must... stop.... replying.....brain.....going....numb.....
Yes one until October 2007, it's now 2010 I believe.
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Edited by Anvh: 03/02/2010 - 22:24
Aero
Posted 03/02/2010 - 22:34 Link
I'll bet you're glad you asked, Benjikan

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Utopia Poppy
Posted 03/02/2010 - 23:19 Link
So, anyway... about the iPad...

Any takers?!

Fiona
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Posted 04/02/2010 - 00:14 Link
Utopia Poppy wrote:
So, anyway... about the iPad...

Any takers?!

Fiona
Not I for a long time to come. BUT, on the "This Week in Photography" podcast (available on iTunes) they were discussing the possibilities of its uses for photographers along with other uses. If you get a chance to download this week's episode, it might be interesting.

The Photomonk
Anvh
Posted 04/02/2010 - 00:15 Link
Fiona it was finally quieting down

Depending if you can install Linux on it and what other companies might do (google cloon) then yes maybe.

I believe some are falling from their chairs now
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Edited by Anvh: 04/02/2010 - 00:15
Shaky
Posted 04/02/2010 - 07:25 Link
Speak of the devil?

Quote:

A fight over freedom at Apple’s core
By Jonathan Zittrain
Financial Times 4/2/2010

In 1977, a 21-year-old Steve Jobs unveiled something the world had never seen before: a ready-to-program personal computer. After powering the machine up, proud Apple II owners were confronted with a cryptic blinking cursor, awaiting instructions.

The Apple II was a clean slate, a device built – boldly – with no specific tasks in mind. Yet, despite the cursor, you did not have to know how to write programs. Instead, with a few keystrokes you could run software acquired from anyone, anywhere. The Apple II was generative.

. . .Thirty years later Apple gave us the iPhone. It was easy to use, elegant and cool – and had lots of applications right out of the box. But the company quietly dropped a fundamental feature, one signalled by the dropping of “Computer” from Apple Computer’s name: the iPhone could not be programmed by outsiders. “We define everything that is on the phone,” said Mr Jobs. “You don’t want your phone to be like a PC. The last thing you want is to have loaded three apps on your phone and then you go to make a call and it doesn’t work any more.”

The openness on which Apple had built its original empire had been completely reversed – but the spirit was still there among users. Hackers vied to “jailbreak” the iPhone, running new apps on it despite Apple’s desire to keep it closed. Apple threatened to disable any phone that had been jailbroken, but then appeared to relent: a year after the iPhone’s introduction, it launched the App Store.

. . .But the App Store has a catch: app developers and their software must be approved by Apple. If Apple does not like the app, for any reason, it is gone. I Am Rich was axed from the Store after it was ridiculed in the press. Another app, Freedom Time, never made it in. It counted down the days to the end of George W. Bush’s US presidency, and that was deemed too politically sensitive. An e-mail reader was denied because it competed with Apple’s own Mail app. Imagine if Microsoft’s Bill Gates had decreed that no other word processor but Word would be allowed to run on the Windows operating system. Microsoft lost a decade-long competition lawsuit for far less proprietary behaviour
Full Story
Posted 04/02/2010 - 09:02 Link
Anvh wrote:
The first one that's what I meant, so a infected file quite be lay dormend on a Mac till you send it to windows user for example right?
In a sense, yes. For example if I were to send you a typical Windows virus as an email attachment and you received it on a Mac, you could potentially pass it onto a Windows user by emailing it to them, or if you saved it on your Mac's hard drive, you could potentially pass it onto a Windows user on a memory stick. But it would never become active and propagate from your Mac in the way that they are typically designed to. All I'm really saying here is that a virus can be stored on any computer, including a Mac.
thoughton
Posted 04/02/2010 - 09:41 Link
lonegroover wrote:
thoughton wrote:
How many times are you going to bang on about your alleged lab full of broken macs? Do you, who is apparently some kind of IT professional, seriously believe that Apple hardware has a failure rate any different to Windows PCs?
Yes, because that is real-life experience with Apple computers, whether it suits you or not. In the 2.5 years that I've supported them, I have seen about 9 of them die, out of a population of 25. I have a photo of a number of dead Macs in my office waiting to be taken away somewhere, let me see ..

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In my time I've had several stacks of good Macs, as I've learned to think of them, taken away by our PC disposal team for recycling, after removing memory and hard drives. That was the merely the first.

Oh, and I'd forgotten until I dug out that photo - I've also had three PowerMac G5s fail, and disposed of.

In that time I've had two hardware faults with AMD 64 PCs (from a population of 8 growing to about 15), both rectified easily by the installation of a new power supply.
An impressive photo! Did those flatscreens also die along with the towers? As you know 9 out of 25 is orders of magnitude above the industry average. Which components are failing? Is your company taking legal action against Apple?

Strangely, my real life experience is completely at odds with yours. In 23 years of Mac use I have yet to have one fail on me personally. In my professional capacity the number is less than 5 out of many hundreds. Without suggesting that your IT skills are below par, there seems to be an outside factor here.
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Edited by thoughton: 04/02/2010 - 09:44
thoughton
Posted 04/02/2010 - 09:50 Link
Shaky wrote:
Speak of the devil?

Quote:

A fight over freedom at Apple’s core
By Jonathan Zittrain
Financial Times 4/2/2010

In 1977, a 21-year-old Steve Jobs unveiled something the world had never seen before: a ready-to-program personal computer. After powering the machine up, proud Apple II owners were confronted with a cryptic blinking cursor, awaiting instructions.

The Apple II was a clean slate, a device built – boldly – with no specific tasks in mind. Yet, despite the cursor, you did not have to know how to write programs. Instead, with a few keystrokes you could run software acquired from anyone, anywhere. The Apple II was generative.

. . .Thirty years later Apple gave us the iPhone. It was easy to use, elegant and cool – and had lots of applications right out of the box. But the company quietly dropped a fundamental feature, one signalled by the dropping of “Computer” from Apple Computer’s name: the iPhone could not be programmed by outsiders. “We define everything that is on the phone,” said Mr Jobs. “You don’t want your phone to be like a PC. The last thing you want is to have loaded three apps on your phone and then you go to make a call and it doesn’t work any more.”

The openness on which Apple had built its original empire had been completely reversed – but the spirit was still there among users. Hackers vied to “jailbreak” the iPhone, running new apps on it despite Apple’s desire to keep it closed. Apple threatened to disable any phone that had been jailbroken, but then appeared to relent: a year after the iPhone’s introduction, it launched the App Store.

. . .But the App Store has a catch: app developers and their software must be approved by Apple. If Apple does not like the app, for any reason, it is gone. I Am Rich was axed from the Store after it was ridiculed in the press. Another app, Freedom Time, never made it in. It counted down the days to the end of George W. Bush’s US presidency, and that was deemed too politically sensitive. An e-mail reader was denied because it competed with Apple’s own Mail app. Imagine if Microsoft’s Bill Gates had decreed that no other word processor but Word would be allowed to run on the Windows operating system. Microsoft lost a decade-long competition lawsuit for far less proprietary behaviour
Full Story
I suppose it's an example of decent journalistic English, but other than that everything in this story is ancient news. The App Store rejecting email apps etc was big news 12 months ago. Rather typically the mainstream press only picks it when the iPad is newly released and looming large in the public consciousness.
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Edited by thoughton: 04/02/2010 - 09:51
GlynM
Posted 04/02/2010 - 10:07 Link
I only have a couple of day's experience of using a Mac as I have just acquired a Mini Mac that arrived on Monday. However I do have some experience of using several operating systems right back to CP/M .

However now, I guess, I have a Windows mind-set so was keen to put some virus protection on the Mac. I found iAntiVirus which looks like it might do the job. It does though only look for Mac type infections and ignores, and can therefore forward, Windows viruses.

Ok, so I've only had a couple of days with the Mac but a few things have been driving me mad, like how to find a # on a UK Mac keyboard, but its coming together. (This is Snow Leopard and it does feel a bit like RiscOs )

Glyn
Edited by GlynM: 04/02/2010 - 10:27
techno-terminator
Posted 04/02/2010 - 10:29 Link
Try hitting Alt 3 for the hash - one of my beasts has a UK keyboard the other is a US Board . If I hit Shift and 3 I get a £

Wouldn't honestly install an AV programme UNLESS you are dual booting [ ie using Windows ] on your MacMini and then you will need a Windows AV. I have ClamXAv and have actually scanned on a few occasions and never found anything.
let the education continue

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Posted 04/02/2010 - 11:21 Link
thoughton wrote:
An impressive photo! Did those flatscreens also die along with the towers? As you know 9 out of 25 is orders of magnitude above the industry average. Which components are failing? Is your company taking legal action against Apple?
The flatscreens that you see in the photo are actually iMacs. As for the components that failed - I don't know, I'm not a hardware engineer. I was told by our maintenance contractor that it was not economic to have them repaired, and I was happy enough for them to be taken away. One of them was literally giving off blue smoke; the case was too hot to touch and an acrid smell of singed plastic filled the entire floor of the building. Never seen that before.

As for legal action - I hadn't even thought about it. They were out of warranty of course. Quite honestly I was only too happy to see them die, so that they could be replaced by what is, in my opinion, a considerably more effective and reliable platform (Linux on 64bit PCs).
GlynM
Posted 04/02/2010 - 11:34 Link
technoidiot wrote:
Try hitting Alt 3 for the hash - one of my beasts has a UK keyboard the other is a US Board . If I hit Shift and 3 I get a £
Thanks, I did manage to work it out but it took a long search on Google

The other big problem I have is sharing printers (a Canon ip4300). I did not realise that to get to a shared windows printer I needed to use the Gutenprint driver. Even then while it would work for text documents printing a photo caused chaos. It only printed the 1st 1MB's worth and then stopped. After a while the printer timed out did a page eject and then it all started again. The job had vanished from the Mac printer queue but it was still in the PC queue where it kept reappearing when I deleted it. I had to cancel spooling on the PC to get it to stop.

Going the other way, having the shared printer on the Mac and printing from a PC, seems to work fine but I still need to get to the A3 printer on another PC.

In general the Mac seems to be US orientated. While I can set the editing dictionary to British English the stand-alone dictionary application only has a US dictionary. The Weather widget in the dashboard does not seem to know about UK places but I did find an alternative from the BBC.

While I have an Apple mouse it took a while to work out that I needed to configure it for the right click button. I had a go with Safari but I'm afraid I've gone back to Firefox simply because of the add-ons like adblock & Exif reader.

However I'm sort of getting there. Open office & Photoshop Elements seem to work fine.

Glyn
Edited by GlynM: 04/02/2010 - 11:43

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