Because it's now time to stop. There's a certain point beyond which it becomes unreasoable, and we're there. You've had your say, now that's enough.

You have a PM, as does gareth. Take it there.

Now we need to call a halt and move on to other things.

I'm not uncomfortable with it, but it's definitely off topic.

One post deleted Smeggy, no need to broaden the discussion any more, enough is enough.

Then I shall rephrase that to say I don't hold grudges, nor does PU as a whole. If something is resolved, it's forgotten.

And of course i don't mean literally forgotten, our memories aren't that bad, but I mean the slate is wiped clean.

I'm sure this has gone far enough now. Those who are genuinely concerned, I would tell you more if i could. Those who have agendas of their own, well, why waste time away like that.

We were sorry in a way we disposed of our 2 *istDS cameras, they were excellent.

Tim can post whatever he likes on his own blog, my only interest is what he posts here.

When I mentioned removing this thread I was actually meaning to make it easier for Tim to return after the 7 day ban, if he wanted to. Obviously he may not want to.

In future we will revert to the principle of not discussing moderation in public, because whatever is said someone takes it the wrong way and has to see a conspiracy where there is none.

I have tried to tell you as much as I can and without actually publishing a mass of complete PMs, some of which might well give you pause for thought, I don't see that we can accomplish any more. It seems even Richard's effort to crerate peace is viewed with suspicion, which is so far of the mark it's tragic.

That's certainly an excellent price, so in a way what is there to lose to try it out. It may be that the kit is not very durable and you will have to replace it for more intense use, but perhaps leave that until you are sure you will need it?

Fair enough comments crossed-up, it must seem very strange. Also confusing and just a bit repetitive now.

We don't normally discuss moderation in public, and we can see why. Still, I was trying to be fair, but there we go.

Robbie had a long history of warnings, even a previous 7 day ban and the latest escapade was the final straw. There's no doubt about this one at all and we are all agreed here.

Tim is another matter and as you have now understood, the original issue was not a banning one. All the threads attacking PU were the issue. Yes, the multiple identities did come after the ban didn't they. They pretty much clinched it though, although i shall still probably make enquiries after 7 days as originally planned.

If I do that I will remove this thread as there's no point rubbing it in so to speak. Despite the severest provocation I really have an open mind on that. Things get forgotten very quickly, so as far as I'm concerned it's back to business as usual.

Indeed, proving we can learn from each other after all. This has been the most constructive conversation we've had Smeggy, a pleasure to exchange thoughts.