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Comment by George Lazarette posted on AF360FGZ Battery door problem at 13/09/2007 - 08:13
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Hi there!
This is a first time post. I don’t want to revive the debate which has gone on in this topic, but I have a *ist D which produces images leaning to the right. I would like to read the experiences of anyone who has taken or sent a Pentax digital SLR, which has this fault, for repair.
Just for the record, I have had Pentax SLRs for over 30 years and this is the first time I have had this problem. The camera had it from new and I know I should have sorted it in the warranty period, but I didn’t. For reasons, which are too tedious to go into, I didn’t use the camera much at first, but I do now and this fault is beginning to exasperate me.
I can't recall anybody, on any forum, complaining about leaning images with the *ist D. I should just send it straight to Pentax, and if you live close enough to Slough, it's not a bad idea to take it in personally. You can often speak to a technical person there if you ask nicely.Hi there!
This is a first time post. I don’t want to revive the debate which has gone on in this topic, but I have a *ist D which produces images leaning to the right. I would like to read the experiences of anyone who has taken or sent a Pentax digital SLR, which has this fault, for repair.
Just for the record, I have had Pentax SLRs for over 30 years and this is the first time I have had this problem. The camera had it from new and I know I should have sorted it in the warranty period, but I didn’t. For reasons, which are too tedious to go into, I didn’t use the camera much at first, but I do now and this fault is beginning to exasperate me.
In the past I have had simple repairs done while I waited at no charge.
G
Comment by George Lazarette posted on Leaning pic's with the K10D at 04/10/2007 - 10:36
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They will hopefully replace the body, and my 50-200mm kit lens which the AF motor died on completely
You must have a very special version of the 50-200, as the normal one does not have an AF motor.They will hopefully replace the body, and my 50-200mm kit lens which the AF motor died on completely
G
Comment by George Lazarette posted on Leaning pic's with the K10D at 26/09/2007 - 09:30
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Yes my first post wasn't the most complementary however this thread is the reason that I registered and posted. There was a link to it in a DPR post and given that I was suffering precisely the same problem with my K10D and having problems getting it rectified I contacted Mats. Yes I have heard of the problems I cited but just because the other problems haven't occurred in my K10D doesn't mean that they aren't worth considering or are false claims in some way.
I'm in contact with at lest three other K10D owners across the globe who are going through pretty much the same exercise WRT to the VF alignment. Each are having various degrees of success in having the problem dealt with by their respective Pentax service centres in a professional manner.
I've had my K10D for almost ten months and I've shot more images with my *ist D during the same time. The finder issue is real and its preventing me from using with confidence an otherwise excellent camera. I'm here for assistance, not to be ear bashed.
Cheers,
OK. See you around. And don't worry about Mats. He's new and doesn't know that we don't usually need moderator intervention.George Lazarette wrote:
Characteristically, your first post here was to list a number of "problems". Then you admit later that most of them haven't affected you personally, and you are just repeating stuff you have heard elsewhere.
I'll answer this whilst attempting to respect Mats.Characteristically, your first post here was to list a number of "problems". Then you admit later that most of them haven't affected you personally, and you are just repeating stuff you have heard elsewhere.
Yes my first post wasn't the most complementary however this thread is the reason that I registered and posted. There was a link to it in a DPR post and given that I was suffering precisely the same problem with my K10D and having problems getting it rectified I contacted Mats. Yes I have heard of the problems I cited but just because the other problems haven't occurred in my K10D doesn't mean that they aren't worth considering or are false claims in some way.
I'm in contact with at lest three other K10D owners across the globe who are going through pretty much the same exercise WRT to the VF alignment. Each are having various degrees of success in having the problem dealt with by their respective Pentax service centres in a professional manner.
I've had my K10D for almost ten months and I've shot more images with my *ist D during the same time. The finder issue is real and its preventing me from using with confidence an otherwise excellent camera. I'm here for assistance, not to be ear bashed.
Cheers,
G
PS: And I noted your follow-up: "The K10D is also a great camera some have problems but like other posters have mentioned they are few and far between." That's what I mean by perspective.
Comment by George Lazarette posted on Leaning pic's with the K10D at 16/09/2007 - 14:59
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Is this solely a forum in with we discuss Pentax DSLRs without problems?
Well, it would be nice to keep things in perspective.Is this solely a forum in with we discuss Pentax DSLRs without problems?
Characteristically, your first post here was to list a number of "problems". Then you admit later that most of them haven't affected you personally, and you are just repeating stuff you have heard elsewhere.
Next, you used a pejorative term favoured by the DP crowd: "fanboy". This is Goebbels-speak for anybody who doesn't share their delight in knocking whatever brand of camera they want to disparage.
Rob, it's a shame. You have enormous technical knowledge which you share happily, and this is indeed much appreciated. But you do have a bitter streak which leads you to give a distorted impression of Pentax and Pentax products. You do this by exaggerating the incidence of what is quite clearly a very limited number of problems.
There are people on the PDML who actually changed brands because of the barrage of anti-Pentax posts by you, Herb Chong, Tom C, and one or two others. Marnie is a case in point. She made the mistake of believing Herb Chong's assertions that Pentax was going bust. In fact, Pentax have never made a loss (at least in the last twenty years or so), but you wouldn't know that from Chong's highly slanted analysis.
So, welcome to Pentax User, but please recognise that the approach here is a little different from that of DPReview.
G
Comment by George Lazarette posted on Leaning pic's with the K10D at 16/09/2007 - 11:45
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You people are twisting the whole point of my post and all because of my poorly worded comment of the "growing list of K10D problems". I have already requested a retraction of those few words and offered my apologies for sending this topic sideways. My post was only meant to point out that the OP was reporting a legitimate observed problem with his K10D and I felt he was being unfairly jumped on. Just because you personally have never experienced the OP's problem (or any K10D problem for that matter) does not mean it is not real or that he is not smart enough to figure out that his house is crooked and his camera is perfect.
I have made MY personal list of K10D problems from reading many months of discussions here and from elsewhere (and I'm sure there will be comments on that too) and valid points have been made concerning my “list”. However, everything on my list has happened to several people and it could be possible most are just problems with individual units, but I have no intention of participating in a bladder voiding competition with anyone that believes Pentax is infallible. I still stick with my opinion that a small group of prolific posters here simply protest too much if someone finds any fault (whether real of not) with the latest Pentax brand they own and that is what I meant when mentioning the *ist D - when it was itself the latest and the greatest. Like our esteemed friend Don once said, "It's only a tool" and may I add... not a religion. When one in our group finds a problem we should be all ears, not disparage him.
I do not wish to ignore posts that are directed to my possibly flawed opinions but we can see indeed how quickly things progress to the ad nauseum stage and this is the last I have to say about it in this subject/topic.
Anyone have anything else to add about the leaning viewfinder problem?
Drew
What worries me is the prospect of this list degenerating into another nitpickers' forum like DPReview. It's nothing to do with Pentax; all brands suffer from a small but vocal group of people who expect their equipment to be more than perfect, and whine and whinge endlessly when it isn't.You people are twisting the whole point of my post and all because of my poorly worded comment of the "growing list of K10D problems". I have already requested a retraction of those few words and offered my apologies for sending this topic sideways. My post was only meant to point out that the OP was reporting a legitimate observed problem with his K10D and I felt he was being unfairly jumped on. Just because you personally have never experienced the OP's problem (or any K10D problem for that matter) does not mean it is not real or that he is not smart enough to figure out that his house is crooked and his camera is perfect.
I have made MY personal list of K10D problems from reading many months of discussions here and from elsewhere (and I'm sure there will be comments on that too) and valid points have been made concerning my “list”. However, everything on my list has happened to several people and it could be possible most are just problems with individual units, but I have no intention of participating in a bladder voiding competition with anyone that believes Pentax is infallible. I still stick with my opinion that a small group of prolific posters here simply protest too much if someone finds any fault (whether real of not) with the latest Pentax brand they own and that is what I meant when mentioning the *ist D - when it was itself the latest and the greatest. Like our esteemed friend Don once said, "It's only a tool" and may I add... not a religion. When one in our group finds a problem we should be all ears, not disparage him.
I do not wish to ignore posts that are directed to my possibly flawed opinions but we can see indeed how quickly things progress to the ad nauseum stage and this is the last I have to say about it in this subject/topic.
Anyone have anything else to add about the leaning viewfinder problem?
Drew
Further down is a post from Rob, who spends quite a lot of time complaining about Pentax on a number of other lists, including the PDML and DPReview. He is aggrieved because Pentax cancelled the original MZ-D after he had invested in a lot of expensive lenses (see the PDML archive from three years or four years ago) and, like a woman scorned, loses no opportunity to bring Pentax's imperfections to as wide a public as possible.
This is a variation of the Goebbels approach. Repeat a lie often enough and people believe it. I am sure that everything Rob says is completely true, but by repeating his complaints in as many forums as possible, he creates an impression that there are more problems than there actually are.
The funny thing is that even on DPReview, users rate the K10D extremely highly - indeed more highly than ANY Canon DSLR is rated by Canon users, including the most expensive ones. The K10D gets a rating of 4.8 out of five, or 96%, one of the highest for any camera. This is hardly the result you would expect from a camera with lots of problems.
I am sure that there ARE valid viewfinder problems, and flash problems, and the occasional cracked case; and I know that the K10D doesn't meter properly with K and M lenses. But let's put it in perspective and get on with what this forum is for: discussing photography, Pentax equipment, and good malt whisky.
G
Comment by George Lazarette posted on Leaning pic's with the K10D at 16/09/2007 - 08:27
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Yes, I wondered if I should have included that last sentence. Maybe just take out the "growing list" statement. The "list" is not really available for public circulation as it my own personal list as to why I will or will not be buying a K10D. So far I have down, banding, flawed exposures with M lenses, totally ineffective sensor cleaning, and not compatible with TTL flash (my problem) to name some. There also seems to me an inordinate amount of physical problems cropping up with individuals posting here so I'm wondering if maybe there could be quality control problems too. I should have known that statement would have taken the topic on a different direction. Sorry for that, but I just wanted to point out the K10D owners (and previously the *ist D owners) seem overly sensitive about any trouble found and often lean towards user error first and sometimes quite rudely. Just my opinion.
Regards
Drew
PS: George, you almost never fail to make me get out my dictionary.
So I sometimes fail? I shall have to try harder, or suffer condign punishment.George Lazarette wrote:
What list? Please elucidate.
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Hahaha What took you so long George? What list? Please elucidate.
G
Yes, I wondered if I should have included that last sentence. Maybe just take out the "growing list" statement. The "list" is not really available for public circulation as it my own personal list as to why I will or will not be buying a K10D. So far I have down, banding, flawed exposures with M lenses, totally ineffective sensor cleaning, and not compatible with TTL flash (my problem) to name some. There also seems to me an inordinate amount of physical problems cropping up with individuals posting here so I'm wondering if maybe there could be quality control problems too. I should have known that statement would have taken the topic on a different direction. Sorry for that, but I just wanted to point out the K10D owners (and previously the *ist D owners) seem overly sensitive about any trouble found and often lean towards user error first and sometimes quite rudely. Just my opinion.
Regards
Drew
PS: George, you almost never fail to make me get out my dictionary.
Well, let's have a look:
Banding may be a problem for people who photograph black cats in coal cellars, but not for people who use light in their photographs.
Inaccurate meter readings (NOT flawed exposures) with M lenses. Yes, that's a bug. Easily dealt with, and not an issue for people who use the camera with the lenses for which it was designed. The writing was on the wall for M lenses when Pentax removed the aperture simulator on the MZ-50 ten years ago.
Ineffective sensor cleaning. Actually, no. I have never had to clean my sensor in nine months of owning a K10D, whereas I do have to on occasion with my *ist D. It may not be perfect, but it does seem to work. But if it didn't, it wouldn't constitute a major issue. Incidentally, my cameras are set to clean the sensor every time they are turned on.
TTL flash. As you say, that's your problem, not the camera's.
Inordinate number of physical problems. Strangely enough, most people here, and most people on the PDML, find that their cameras work just fine. Of course, everybody on DPReview has a problem, and the cure for them is brain surgery.
And finally, what about these *ist D problems you refer to? In four years of ownership, and two bodies (one since sold) I have only had a problem when I dropped one and tore off the hotshoe (which held a flashgun at the time). Of course, I blamed the camera. I was having a DPReview day.
G
Comment by George Lazarette posted on Leaning pic's with the K10D at 15/09/2007 - 20:50
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Drew
What list? Please elucidate.George Lazarette wrote:
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I don't find it is matsoberg that is "ad nauseuming" (no spelling lessons please )but it is the confusion added by all the advice offered by others that have not properly read his first two posts. Seems to me he has done a simple valid test with shake reduction OFF to prove the viewfinder is out of sync with reality. He was only asking if anyone else noticed this problem with the K10D and while it appears some are also having the same problem, others are confusing the matter with their flawed advice and matsoberg is just trying to clarify his question so they can "get it". Could it be that some of the K10D owners here are just not receptive to hearing about adding to the growing list of K10D problems? Quote:
George.
.............If the K10D has given me trouble, I´m going to tell you and others about it.
Fair enough. But not ad nauseam, please.George.
.............If the K10D has given me trouble, I´m going to tell you and others about it.
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Drew
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Comment by George Lazarette posted on Leaning pic's with the K10D at 15/09/2007 - 18:21
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George.
.............If the K10D has given me trouble, I´m going to tell you and others about it.
Fair enough. But not ad nauseam, please.George.
.............If the K10D has given me trouble, I´m going to tell you and others about it.
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Comment by George Lazarette posted on Leaning pic's with the K10D at 15/09/2007 - 17:01
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You actually said: "I will also make this a public post ".George Lazarette wrote:
It's also rude to post private messages without getting the other person's assent in advance!
I sent a private message to spare your blushes, and also so as not to make too much of the very minor issue concerning Mats.
But what's done is done. Let's look forward to a friendly future!
G
i did tell you i was going to make the post public to say sorry to all the people i have irritated, you replied with another pm, but mentioned nothing about me posting it, so i posted it thinking if you didnt like the idea you would of mentioned it.It's also rude to post private messages without getting the other person's assent in advance!
I sent a private message to spare your blushes, and also so as not to make too much of the very minor issue concerning Mats.
But what's done is done. Let's look forward to a friendly future!
G
You didn't say, "Do you mind if I post this publicly?"
It seemed I had no choice in the matter.
But let's drop the subject and talk about cameras. Just to let you know, I occasionally find that my horizons aren't horizontal. This has been the case since my first film camera in 1958, and I haven't noticed any increased incidence since getting the K10D.
However, I am quite willing to believe that this problem can occur, due to a misalignment of prisms or mirrors or whatever, and I would hope and expect that it will be easy to fix.
I certainly don't think it is something to put you off buying the camera, irritating though it must be to those who suffer from it.
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Comment by George Lazarette posted on Leaning pic's with the K10D at 15/09/2007 - 12:29
Mine's been broken for a long while. Fortunately, one of the pins is still holding... and I'm being much more careful with the AF540!
I'll try and take a macro shot of the broken pin area and email it. I suspect it's the combination of using NiMH (which can be slightly larger than Alkaline and therefore exert more force), and being in a hurry when changing batteries.
Matt
I suspect this is a VERY common problem. The pins are far too small and fragile for the job. I have several Pentax flashes, and the 360 battery door is the worst design.
There was a job-lot of non-working Pentax flashes on US Ebay recently. Several had battery door problems.
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