Most of the camera clubers I've come across don't seem to have the elitist attitude, In the 7 or more years I've been a member of mine I've only heard one "proper" dig at the Pentax brand, the jesting is always there but that's not just limited to Pentax.

Bradford PS is a very old and respected club, some of it's members are brilliant people too, Graeme Mitchell has often given my work good comments when he's judged our competitions, I wonder if he knows I shoot Pentax

Well as I've just had a PM from Gareth wondering where I was I thought I'd better make an appearance

I will be at Whitby this year providing my Steampunk Costume is ready but I might not be hanging around with you lot all day as my good lady deserves my company for a change.

Steampunk is so cool
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PS: I know Father Ted will be dancing around to these

I can see lots of noise.

But as good as the Kr is you can't really expect an entry level model to produce professional level images straight out of the camera, they are going to need some work, and yes I second Neat Image for getting rid of noise.

Anyone who is really serious about submitting work for publication straight out of the camera should be considering medium format or at least full frame.

I agree, much better than looking at the misfits on stage

And you didn't call in for coffee Barrie

Can I borrow it for when we get a fussy judge
Having said that it would probably win

I do like been honest, just don't tell that young lady what I said about her hand

Borders also leave a space for sticky fingers if anyone wants some prints to handle.

I have a Dalek bottle opener, every time I open a bottle it says EXTERMINATE!

But the problem with bottles is I have to take them to the bottle bank, cans I can just lob in the green bin

They already did, it was called Millennium Edition and despite the poor reviews it was on of my favourites.