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K10D wrote:
Don wrote:
but that does not mean Nikon is in the sensor manufacturing business or even the design (although collaborating on the electronics and end use of such a sensor could indeed affect the sensors ultimate design).
The first link for the D700/D3 does show that it is a Nikon developed sensor and is coded as such on the die image. Nikon coding and device number would not be on a third party sensor and also ensures that other manufacturers had no right of use.

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This means that Pentax "could" do a similar exercise?

Best regards
like the ei-2000 rebadged hewlet packard camera? or the samsung rebadged Pentaxes?putting your name on it may simply be part of the agreement if there was collaboration to ensure the hardware and firmware works together inside the camera...
that same sensor, with a different stamp and maybe even some tweeks could be sold elsewhere, that is al I'm saying.

I've done collaborative jobs for big clients, and you won't find my watermark on them, and others that do have my watermark, and or photo credit... depends how much they pay me.... with my watermark comes cheaper.
Does the fact that I accepted more money/perks in exchange for letting them own the rights to the finished product make the photo more thier creation? Did they set up my lights? Fire the shutter on my camera? Nope, they just provide more input into the concept and talent choices, and pay more to keep the rights to the finished product.

Unless Nikon owns the plant that manufactures the chip and or employs the designer of the chip, then it is contracted, outsourced. it is more likely that they gave input to the chip designers who worked for/with the chip manufacturer. and paid more to stamp "Nikon" on it.

Comment by Don posted on kx and k7 both officially discontinued? at 02/02/2011 - 03:47

Don
K10D wrote:
George Lazarette wrote:
K10D wrote:
Now we know that Nikon were quietly making their own sensors.
I have seen no credible evidence of that.

G
I may stand corrected George on the "making". However, there seems to be enough evidence that they are not Sony, but are manufactured elswhere to Nikon's design.
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As stated, the D7000 sensor is a Sony unit. It is widely believed to be the same as that used in the K5. I can vouch for the low noise and IQ of the sensor.

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It would not make good business sense for Nikon or Pentax to rely on one manufacturer to supply sensors for thier entire line as it would afford the manufacturer (Sony in this case) to always stay ahead in r&d on the cameras themselves....
So any third party that makes a sensor has to collaborate with the buyer, but that does not mean Nikon is in the sensor manufacturing business or even the design (although collaborating on the electronics and end use of such a sensor could indeed affect the sensors ultimate design).
I would hope Pentax does not have all it's eggs in one basket for the long term.

Comment by Don posted on kx and k7 both officially discontinued? at 02/02/2011 - 02:13

Don
johnriley wrote:
Interesting to handle mirrorless cameras. The electronic viewfinders are acceptable in the best ones, but not exciting to view through and to be honest I find myself using the main camera monitor instead. That is much easier.

However, I never use Live View on a DSLR....

So different designs of camera definitely lead to different techniques in use.
I think "Augmented Reality" styled glasses that mimic 60 inch hd displays at ten feet will change the way we shoot video and stills with our (possibly 3-d) imaging devices....

Comment by Don posted on kx and k7 both officially discontinued? at 02/02/2011 - 00:43

Don
the nex 5 and vg 10 have the same sensor, just different biasses between still and video, both take an adaptor for the full sized alpha/minolta lenses...

Pentax could do this with the k5 and no adaptor and (already got better lenses) better image quality and blow Sony out of the water...

if I was going to start my business today, shooting weddings, I'd buy two nex5's and two vg10's and a couple extra lenses...
and MAYBE an alpha dslr.....

But I built my business over a long period of time and am tied to the technology of the past which could theoretically bit me in the a$$ and wallet as up and comers got access to cheaper better technology....

Comment by Don posted on kx and k7 both officially discontinued? at 01/02/2011 - 23:42

Don
George Lazarette wrote:
Everything is changing.

I have recently purchased a Panasonic SD700 camcorder. The quality of both video and still pictures is astounding, as is the low-light performance.

Don has been saying this for years, but I think we are going to end up with multi-function still/video cameras of very small size.

Perhaps that is what the EVILs are, effectively.

G
sony's nex5 and vg10 are the future. I wish Sony would be history though...
It IS possible to get all the quality of the k5 without the expensive manufacturing of mechanical shutters and optical pentaprism finders. it WILL happen. It is already happening.
Slrs will be around as long as people are willing to buy, but the next generation of photogs aren't likely to be willing to pay more for them if there is a cheaper evil on the shelf taht uses the same lenses and has the same sensor and image quality, and happens to do video well.
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Comment by Don posted on kx and k7 both officially discontinued? at 01/02/2011 - 23:33

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Offertonhatter wrote:
No, no shutter. A CSC Camera has neither. Just take the lens off any of them and the sensor is there in all its glory.
The "shutter" on CSC cameras is purely electronic - ie freezing the data when you press the button. There is no curtain to cover it at all.
Ah, my concept above is based on the kx and as such a shutter is still viable option for use when changing lenses! It would only close when you remove the lens!

Comment by Don posted on kx and k7 both officially discontinued? at 01/02/2011 - 23:17

Don
Offertonhatter wrote:
Maybe, just maybe, with the K-5 getting the deserved plaudits in the photo community, and that it having the required AF speed and FPS for sport and nature, longer lenses might just be around the corner. Those in the 400-600mm range with decent speed (F4-F5.6)

Here's hoping

Nice to see that Canon users see the Pentax for what it is though - A seriously good all weather DSLR.
I would buy a 400-600mm zoom (or split the difference and just make it 500mm)f5.6 wr mirror in a heartbeat. for the amount I use super telephotos, I cannot justify going over $899.99 Cdn. ok Pentax?

Comment by Don posted on My word..Canon owners want into the Pentax system.... at 01/02/2011 - 23:12

Don
Mike-P wrote:
Don wrote:

It only really bothers me when people mock me for not being able to answer when asked my children's ages or birthdays... doesn't mean I love them less or am somehow, a lousy father...
Wouldn't worry about that .. I don't have it and I can never remember the kids birthdays (or the wifes) either.
I don't worry that. I sometimes worry about my impulse control problems when people tick me off!

Comment by Don posted on My word..Canon owners want into the Pentax system.... at 01/02/2011 - 23:07

Don
Offertonhatter wrote:
Unfortunately its a fact of life, and the market, that the interchangable lens CSC cameras are swallowing up the bottom end of the DSLR market. Whether it is good is debatable (contrast AF, no shutter to protect the sensor from dust, no "proper" viewfinder etc) but when you have compact users wanting more IQ, but still in a small camera, then the new CSC type are going to be more appealing than an entry level DSLR to them, no matter how small the DSLR are. They are used to large screens to use to take the image rather than a viewfinder.
Both Nikon and Canon are almost bucking the trend due to neither of them having a CSC camera (yet), but we can see, even they are suffering sales but can cope at the moment because they are huge.
However, once both have CSC's in their range, then even they will drop the entry level camera (4 and 3 digit EOS and D3100/D5000 cameras) ranges accordingly.
We all know that CSC's are not as good as DSLR's at the moment, but the technology is getting far better and quickly, for example the Fuji hybrid contrast/phase AF recently announced on one of their compacts.

DSLR's will still be around as the demand will always be there for the more serious tog, but the market share will be reduced.

Personally I always throught that the CSC would sound the death knell of the Bridge camera, and become the stepping stone to the DSLR. How wrong I was.

As long as Pentax come out with a CSC and still be around to fund DSLR's I will be happy.
umn I think you meant "No mirror" but Ironically, it would not be difficult to work the camera buttons and firmware to have it close the shutter as long as it has power and the lens is off.... to protect the sensor from dust, and a shutter open function in the menu for cleaning the sensor....

Comment by Don posted on kx and k7 both officially discontinued? at 01/02/2011 - 23:05

Don
dougf8 wrote:
Is there an outbreak of mass dyscalculia?
I have dyscalculia.
Funny thing... I can comprehend complex math operations, and can often answer difficult math questions instantly, just don't ask me to write down how I came to the right answer, I usually can't.

I cannot remember dates, time, nor memorize stats, charts or even the basic times tables.

I can look at an algebra question, and assuming my dyslexia doesn't rear it's ugly head, tell you the answer, but I have to use my fingers (I have a system) to answer a simple basic times table question.....

sit me in room with no visual points of reference, and I will be unable to tell you if I've been there for five minutes, fifty minutes of five hours.

I even have to resort more often than not, to pulling my ID and counting when people ask me how old I am.

It only really bothers me when people mock me for not being able to answer when asked my children's ages or birthdays... doesn't mean I love them less or am somehow, a lousy father...

Comment by Don posted on My word..Canon owners want into the Pentax system.... at 01/02/2011 - 22:33

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