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Comment by Don posted on The Optio I-10 at 03/02/2011 - 17:49
whether people buy the kenko is irrelevant to Pentax, other than an increase in cctv lens sales if it does sell. (odds are used one on evilbay will start moving)
Would I buy this camera for me? nope.
But my little boy does spend an aweful lot of time video taping his cats and constantly bugs for the iphone on trips so he can take photos too...
the video cam he uses is a toy and quality sucks, the iphone always comes back undamaged...
might be a wonderful Christmas present for him.... if it is less than a g12 in price.... and comes close in image quality...
Would I buy this camera for me? nope.
But my little boy does spend an aweful lot of time video taping his cats and constantly bugs for the iphone on trips so he can take photos too...
the video cam he uses is a toy and quality sucks, the iphone always comes back undamaged...
might be a wonderful Christmas present for him.... if it is less than a g12 in price.... and comes close in image quality...
Comment by Don posted on The Optio I-10 at 03/02/2011 - 17:31
robbie_d wrote:
But Pentax is (seemingly) going to throw a huge amount of money behind an interchangeable lens camera system with a sensor smaller than enthusiast compacts, and in a body that will no doubt be larger than them.
I don't think in future conversation people should be able to use the argument that "if it was worth doing Pentax would already have done it". They clearly just make it up as they go along.
I can here the Jessops salespeople already:
"Yes sir, you could spend £350 on the Canon S95 with it's compact body, fast lens which covers a really useful range, intuitive control system and class leading low-light performance. Alternatively, let me show you the latest offering from Pentax. It costs more, requires you to change lenses and is larger. Don't worry though, it more than makes up for it with its sensor which...oh wait, its sensor is actually smaller. Yes sir, I'll put an S95 to one side for you."
DISCLAIMER: I have made some assumptions in the above statements, in the absence of more details. If Pentax releases this camera and it truns out to be an absolute world beater I will post an apology thread. What's more, I'll buy one of the cameras.
If the lenses are already designed, and the electronics are borrowed from say the optio line, therefore already designed, where is all this money you assume to be going?Don wrote:
looks more and more like pentax's first entry into the mirror less evil class will be an interchangeable lens i-10 called the nc-1.
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interesting rumor if true...
So let me get this straight, Pentax doesn't make long telephoto lenses for its established DSLR range (except for George's positively Unicorn-like DA* 250-600) because there isn't a sufficient market for them / would require too much investment / isn't what people really want.looks more and more like pentax's first entry into the mirror less evil class will be an interchangeable lens i-10 called the nc-1.
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interesting rumor if true...
But Pentax is (seemingly) going to throw a huge amount of money behind an interchangeable lens camera system with a sensor smaller than enthusiast compacts, and in a body that will no doubt be larger than them.
I don't think in future conversation people should be able to use the argument that "if it was worth doing Pentax would already have done it". They clearly just make it up as they go along.
I can here the Jessops salespeople already:
"Yes sir, you could spend £350 on the Canon S95 with it's compact body, fast lens which covers a really useful range, intuitive control system and class leading low-light performance. Alternatively, let me show you the latest offering from Pentax. It costs more, requires you to change lenses and is larger. Don't worry though, it more than makes up for it with its sensor which...oh wait, its sensor is actually smaller. Yes sir, I'll put an S95 to one side for you."
DISCLAIMER: I have made some assumptions in the above statements, in the absence of more details. If Pentax releases this camera and it truns out to be an absolute world beater I will post an apology thread. What's more, I'll buy one of the cameras.
let me give a real world example... we do high end weddings. I have a tradeshow booth (already spent the money) I have an older d-slr (ds2 already spent the money) people are tightening thier belts and high end wedding sales are down... Why not take my old ds2, my tradeshow booth my older mac and a printer and rent out a portable photo booth for a third the price of our wedding service? hint I'm getting lots of sales on the photo kiosk rentals compared to wedding sales.
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Assuming the Kenko camera pictures I've seen are representative of the final product (in terms of functionality rather than form), I do see one massive stumbling block.
Such a spartan design would clearly aim the camera at either the enthusiast market, or the pro looking for a smaller body (i.e. it's unlikely to attract the gadget fiends as it looks like it was made in the Eastern Bloc, from wood).
The problem is that it seems to lack manual controls! You know, actual dials that control settings (rather than having to delve into menus just to find exposure compensation or a tungsten WB setting).
I realise that makes me sound a little like Ken Rockwell, but a proper little focussed camera like this, with real manual controls would at least give it a chance to overcome the piddling-sized sensor in a reasonably large body problem.
the kenko would appear to be designed for the "Art/toy" camera enthusiast looking for a rock solid brick of a camera to play with.Assuming the Kenko camera pictures I've seen are representative of the final product (in terms of functionality rather than form), I do see one massive stumbling block.
Such a spartan design would clearly aim the camera at either the enthusiast market, or the pro looking for a smaller body (i.e. it's unlikely to attract the gadget fiends as it looks like it was made in the Eastern Bloc, from wood).
The problem is that it seems to lack manual controls! You know, actual dials that control settings (rather than having to delve into menus just to find exposure compensation or a tungsten WB setting).
I realise that makes me sound a little like Ken Rockwell, but a proper little focussed camera like this, with real manual controls would at least give it a chance to overcome the piddling-sized sensor in a reasonably large body problem.
the pentax version would appear to be a shot at the serious compact & micro 4/3s crowd.
Who would want an aps-c camera when there are ff sensors out there? oops Pentax k-5 beats some ff sensors over at dxo labs so maybe there is hope for a smaller sensor to compete with 4/3s?
Comment by Don posted on The Optio I-10 at 03/02/2011 - 17:03
Francois_C wrote:
Maybe Leica could make such an aberration, and count on the snobbery to sell few copies for 20 times the price they are worth. But this is not the niche market of Pentax.
1) pentax makes more cctv lenses than d-slr lens by about a 10x margin.... even if they took the cctv lenses (search for them on pentax's site to get an idea what we're talking about) used better glass and coatings (and even a possible auto 110 mount) the lenses are already designed!Don wrote:
looks more and more like pentax's first entry into the mirror less evil class will be an interchangeable lens i-10 called the nc-1.
link
interesting rumor if true...
Who would buy a camera with such a tiny sensor (noise, no bokeh, etc), and a new lens mount?looks more and more like pentax's first entry into the mirror less evil class will be an interchangeable lens i-10 called the nc-1.
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interesting rumor if true...
Maybe Leica could make such an aberration, and count on the snobbery to sell few copies for 20 times the price they are worth. But this is not the niche market of Pentax.
2) kenko (also owned by Hoya) just released a camera with the same sized sensor and c-mount. (Hoya wins if it takes off and using standard Pentax cctv lenses again)..
3) if pentax can get a sony sensor to outperform both Sony and Nikon cameras using the same aps-c sensor, then maybe they can get this little sensor to match micro 4/3's quality or even beat them.. it is possible look up fuji xmr sensor...
this is not a d-slr beater, just a 4/3's competitor that doesn't bolster Oly and Panny's 4/3's market position... it also wouldn't gut entry level d-slr sales...
Comment by Don posted on The Optio I-10 at 03/02/2011 - 16:32
Pentaxophile wrote:
A CCTV lens with a sensor no bigger than the average consumer P&S?
Be still, my heart...
I suppose there might be a niche for it, but I struggle to see the point
I hope this rumour is unfounded, although Hoya have released just such a camera through the Kenko brand...
all the more reason to to release a pentax with the same mount.A CCTV lens with a sensor no bigger than the average consumer P&S?
Be still, my heart...
I suppose there might be a niche for it, but I struggle to see the point
I hope this rumour is unfounded, although Hoya have released just such a camera through the Kenko brand...
you have to really look at what Pentax offers in cctv lenses to realize the potential of this idea to compete with micro 4/3 and premium compacts.... especially if the video is good!
Comment by Don posted on kx and k7 both officially discontinued? at 03/02/2011 - 15:37
it seems possible that Pentax is releasing a auto 110 sized camera. possibly with the auto 110 mount or c mount. Look up Pentax's cctv lens lineup to get an idea of what pentax COULD release for this camera... it has a small sensor, compact camera sized sensor smaller than micro 4/3's....
the nc-1 rumors are making the rounds as I type this...
the nc-1 rumors are making the rounds as I type this...
Comment by Don posted on kx and k7 both officially discontinued? at 03/02/2011 - 15:16
looks more and more like pentax's first entry into the mirror less evil class will be an interchangeable lens i-10 called the nc-1.
link
interesting rumor if true...
link
interesting rumor if true...
Comment by Don posted on The Optio I-10 at 03/02/2011 - 14:30
Can that car handle one horsepower?
Comment by Don posted on Finalla a FF your shooting buddies wished they had! at 03/02/2011 - 02:28
Smeggypants wrote:
I'd rather have a Trabant.
come with this:I'd rather have a Trabant.
???
let us know when you're ready for something faster like this:
Comment by Don posted on Finalla a FF your shooting buddies wished they had! at 02/02/2011 - 23:58
Dangermouse wrote:
Rather have a Nissan GTR. It'll leave anything up to and including a Bugatti Veyron standing on the sort of roads we have here (EVO magazine tried it - the Bugatti couldn't catch up despite having roughly twice the power!)
I still like the Subaru'sRather have a Nissan GTR. It'll leave anything up to and including a Bugatti Veyron standing on the sort of roads we have here (EVO magazine tried it - the Bugatti couldn't catch up despite having roughly twice the power!)
awd in Canada means you can have fun in the snow!!!
Comment by Don posted on Finalla a FF your shooting buddies wished they had! at 02/02/2011 - 23:31
With regards being "miffed" at "jumping ship" before the K5 came out, you're beginning to show your conjectural side George. As it happens, the K5 was not/is not in my budget. I'd have thought a man as informed as yourself would have known this form the threads that surrounded my "jumping ship". Had I still been with Pentax I'd still have the situation of the K5 being too expensive. Non-issue.
you're acting like a troll more than anything else right now.