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rparmar wrote:
Threads like this always go off into la-la land. Because it's much easier to fantasise than actually compare like to like.
I've done my research. I'm saying expect an "evil class" Prosumer version of the nex system in the future... that will be one of the first "d-slr killer"s in the mirrorless class.... it will either come from panasonic, samsung or sony (canon possible) and it really will match the k5 for still image quality, have 4k video and still be price competitive with d-slrs.... when it arrives... I assure you THAT CLASS of Prosumer Evils will force the market to change. D-slrs will eventually be taken over in the market. get back to me in a couple years on this one.Don wrote:
when this bad boy link gets a "Prosumer" little brother, priced for the masses, and a couple competitors from say samsung and Panasonic, I will likely buy a pk adaptor for such a camera and never go back to d-slrs again...
Maybe you should "do some research". The NEX-FS100 is the prosumer version of the F3. And it already has competition from Panasonic - sheesh! Last time I looked, it was a video camera that will cost six grand in the most basic configuration. It's also huge compared to the K-5. Absolutely incomparable. You may as well go on about 70mm cine cameras and how they invalidate anything Pentax has ever done.when this bad boy link gets a "Prosumer" little brother, priced for the masses, and a couple competitors from say samsung and Panasonic, I will likely buy a pk adaptor for such a camera and never go back to d-slrs again...
Threads like this always go off into la-la land. Because it's much easier to fantasise than actually compare like to like.
Comment by Don posted on When a Pentax Full Frame at 17/04/2011 - 18:04
why 50 mm? given the 35 2.4 is affordable and give a simialr FOV as a 50 would on a 35 mm film (FF) camera ...
Comment by Don posted on what to buy at 17/04/2011 - 17:40
the first pro mirrorless will probably hit the video market first by way of a 4k video camera that happens to take aps-c lenses and happens to take very high quality stills.
when this bad boy link gets a "Prosumer" little brother, priced for the masses, and a couple competitors from say samsung and Panasonic, I will likely buy a pk adaptor for such a camera and never go back to d-slrs again...
well maybe for nostalgia, I don't like throwing stuff away... but for work?
unless Pentax goes this direction, it will be hard to justify buying the next big thing from Pentax...
when this bad boy link gets a "Prosumer" little brother, priced for the masses, and a couple competitors from say samsung and Panasonic, I will likely buy a pk adaptor for such a camera and never go back to d-slrs again...
well maybe for nostalgia, I don't like throwing stuff away... but for work?
unless Pentax goes this direction, it will be hard to justify buying the next big thing from Pentax...
Comment by Don posted on When a Pentax Full Frame at 17/04/2011 - 17:31
Dangermouse wrote:
Do I believe in aliens? Yes, in an apparently infinite universe it's unthinkable that we're on the only planet with life.
Do I believe in UFOs? Well given they're just something you don't recognise in the air it's a bit like believing in the postman - unnecessary and doesn't make your parcels turn up faster!
Do I believe UFOs are alien spacecraft? No, I strongly suspect that this is a bit of misinformation fed by various government bodies so that anyone commenting on the funny lights in the sky is regarded as a crackpot, thereby avoiding hordes of people turning up with 1000mm lenses to photograph the latest super-secret experimental aircraft which are undoubtedly responsible for the sightings!
given the time it takes for radio wave to travel.... let us say for argument sake that intelligent life out there detected us by picking up radio waves... they start picking up radio and electrical noise we generated in the 1920's, they recognize the noise as being of intelligent design and so they beam some radio noise back at us hoping to communicate... we don't answer.. they build a ship and start to travel towards us.. by this time they are picking up both radio and television. As the years go on and thier travels get them closer to us, they are no longer picking up the first episodes of shows like "I love Lucy", they are now receiving the transmissions from "Happy Days" and they keep travelling towards us, now they are picking up the first episodes we transmitted of Jerry Springer... Suddenly they conclude there IS NO INTELLIGENT LIFE ON EARTH, turn around and go home.Do I believe in aliens? Yes, in an apparently infinite universe it's unthinkable that we're on the only planet with life.
Do I believe in UFOs? Well given they're just something you don't recognise in the air it's a bit like believing in the postman - unnecessary and doesn't make your parcels turn up faster!
Do I believe UFOs are alien spacecraft? No, I strongly suspect that this is a bit of misinformation fed by various government bodies so that anyone commenting on the funny lights in the sky is regarded as a crackpot, thereby avoiding hordes of people turning up with 1000mm lenses to photograph the latest super-secret experimental aircraft which are undoubtedly responsible for the sightings!
Thanks a lot Jerry Springer.
Comment by Don posted on Another UFO thread - Media Coverage at 17/04/2011 - 16:59
Opethian wrote:
Could be that the fact that a big majority of people on this planet still believe in a God that is preventing them from making proper contact. Or maybe they are waiting for us to get to space faring before formally introducing themselves.
Could be that their concept of God is the very tech they are using wasn't theirs to begin with, but is from an exctinct space faring race dating several tens of thousands of years ago.
Or as the "caller" suggests, they are extra-dimensional beings.
Weather balloon FTW!
one thing is for sure... there is no logical or scientific explanation for people to evolve a need to believe in a Deity, yet the numbers would suggest an evolutionary advantage for those that do...... go figure...Could be that the fact that a big majority of people on this planet still believe in a God that is preventing them from making proper contact. Or maybe they are waiting for us to get to space faring before formally introducing themselves.
Could be that their concept of God is the very tech they are using wasn't theirs to begin with, but is from an exctinct space faring race dating several tens of thousands of years ago.
Or as the "caller" suggests, they are extra-dimensional beings.
Weather balloon FTW!
Comment by Don posted on Another UFO thread - Media Coverage at 17/04/2011 - 16:01
rparmar wrote:
Of course, in hindsight...
Likewise the K-5 is not limiting to anyone who actually learns photography. For everyone else there are various toys they can use, first and foremost their iPhone.
do some research on this. How many features on a modern pro level d-slr are there that were first introduced on consumer level cameras before being adapted to pro cameras?Don wrote:
pretend you are picking up a camera for the very first time.
That's easy to do. I'll just think back to that K1000 in 1981. When I picked it up I couldn't find anything wrong with it at all, except that it seemed a bit heavy. I didn't feel limited by having only a 50mm lens, needing to manually change ISO at the end of every roll, not getting feedback on my shot immediately, having no video, being restricted to manual focus, having only one exposure mode, dealing with scratched negatives, having to wait to develop... or anything else for that matter.pretend you are picking up a camera for the very first time.
Of course, in hindsight...
Likewise the K-5 is not limiting to anyone who actually learns photography. For everyone else there are various toys they can use, first and foremost their iPhone.
like it or not the truth is, in the camera world technology is trickle up. Pros get nearly everything last because they stubbornly stick to the "old ways". true story. look it up.
now that I'm shooting video with the kr, I've finally found a reason to turn on "SR".... still focus manually though...
Comment by Don posted on When a Pentax Full Frame at 17/04/2011 - 15:48
add an optional funtion to the RAW button... I would like the option to dedicate that button to recording video..
Comment by Don posted on Suggestions to Pentax at 17/04/2011 - 15:36
K10D wrote:
Why would anyone expect future APS-C sensors not to surpass today's FF sensors? Of course you have to assume that any future FF sensor development is cancelled.
That just leaves metering and AF on the Pentax "things to catch up on" list.
I have to assume that if Pentax ever did bring out a FF DSLR that you would be current user group who would decline buying one?
These discussions are embarrassing to Pentax users. Many said who needed Hi ISO, low noise or machine gun mode, the K5 arrives two years after other marks were doing just that and suddenly it's the icing on the cake.
It's a great camera with a shortage of matching AF performance and adequate lens range.
People need to just get on and use it and not worry about the FF camp. The FF camp never worried about the MF camp.
Best regards
pretend you are picking up a camera for the very first time.Smeggypants wrote:
Lets say SLR film cameras had always used the frame size of APS-C. Would you still want a 35mm frame size?
All these frame sizes are arbitrary. Sensors will evolve in the APS-C size that will out perform any of today's FF sensors. The K-5 sensor is the current step the this evolution. Less and less snappers are hankering after FF.
Great logic.Lets say SLR film cameras had always used the frame size of APS-C. Would you still want a 35mm frame size?
All these frame sizes are arbitrary. Sensors will evolve in the APS-C size that will out perform any of today's FF sensors. The K-5 sensor is the current step the this evolution. Less and less snappers are hankering after FF.
Why would anyone expect future APS-C sensors not to surpass today's FF sensors? Of course you have to assume that any future FF sensor development is cancelled.
That just leaves metering and AF on the Pentax "things to catch up on" list.
I have to assume that if Pentax ever did bring out a FF DSLR that you would be current user group who would decline buying one?
These discussions are embarrassing to Pentax users. Many said who needed Hi ISO, low noise or machine gun mode, the K5 arrives two years after other marks were doing just that and suddenly it's the icing on the cake.
It's a great camera with a shortage of matching AF performance and adequate lens range.
People need to just get on and use it and not worry about the FF camp. The FF camp never worried about the MF camp.
Best regards
take the k5 for example... oyu paid top dollar for this camera, and you want it for photos and videos.
Now list everything that seems "Wrong" with it...
What you see is NOT what you get from the viewfinder... you are looking at an image from wide open aperture, but you have to "Stop it down" to see what the image will look like at say f 16... when you do "stop it down" it is too dark to see through...
you can't look through he viewfinder while recording video... but there is too much glare to use the back lcd outdoors in sunlight...
see where this is going?
accept this fact now... EVIL CLass cams will kill the d-slr... no point in arguing ff or mf. Your pentaprism and mirror box and shutter mechanisms are officially on the endangered species list.
Comment by Don posted on When a Pentax Full Frame at 17/04/2011 - 15:22
thanks son had taken aperture ring off A