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Comment by davidstorm posted on K3 focus issues most confusing at 21/04/2014 - 22:08
I recently acquired a Sigma 17-70 F2.8-4 HSM OS Macro lens from another Forum Member, with the intention of keeping either this or my Pentax DA17-70 as my default walkabout lens. However, since getting the Sigma I have struggled to get sharp images from it, so today I decided to calibrate it and do some testing. In short, there's nothing wrong with the lens, it just needed a '+5' adjustment on both my K-5IIs and my K-3. After sorting out the focussing accuracy, I decided to do some comparison tests with the Pentax DA 17-70 at F4, nothing scientific here, just my own thoughts after comparing images side by side in Photoshop with no processing applied. Bear in mind, these results reflect the copies of the lenses I own and may be different for other copies. I was mainly interested in sharpness at different focal lengths, but also looked at contrast and colour. The controls applied were:
- Camera on tripod, pointed at identical subjects, sharpness assessed on a road sign approx. 70m away
- 2 second self timer used to avoid shake
- F4 used for all images on both lenses
- Centre focus point only
- Images shot at 70mm, 35mm and 17mm on each lens
- Same comparisons were shot with the K-5IIs and the K-3, all results were consistent between the two cameras
- Images were compared in Photoshop at 200%, side by side in a vertical tiling arrangement so it was easy to see the differences
Here's what I found:
Contrast
- The Pentax lens has much higher contrast than the Sigma at all focal lengths
Colour
- The Sigma is 'warmer'- most noticeable with Reds - the Siggy renders reds with more yellow / green in them, making a more 'orangey' red than the Pentax, which in turn has more magenta. The Sigma is probably marginally more accurate with reds, but the downside is that this tendency makes greens look too yellowy! No conclusive win for either here, but because of the Pentax's contrast, the colours look more 'punchy' straight out of the camera with the DA 17-70.
Sharpness
This is where it gets interesting!
70mm - The Pentax blows the Sigma away completely. At 70mm on the Siggy, there are halos around objects and a fuzziness even when accurately focussed, whereas on the Pentax everything is crisp and sharp; quite a surprising result.
35mm - The Sigma blows the Pentax away! This surprised me even more than the first result, the Siggy has better edge definition, overall a sharper image.
17mm - A closer match, but the Sigma just beats the Pentax for overall sharpness.
I would suspect that if both lenses were stopped down to F7.1 or so the results would be almost indistinguishable where sharpness is concerned, but colours and contrast would tell them apart. The other thing I noticed is that the Siggy exposes higher than the Pentax does, at the same aperture with the Siggy at 1/125, the Pentax lens produced a shutter speed of 1/250.
So, what does all of this mean? Which is the better lens? I still have no idea, it depends on how you like images to look and also what focal length you tend to use the lens at. I still don't know which one to keep and which I should sell.
I hope this is useful information, not sure how relevant it is to anyone else but thought it worth posting anyway. Both lenses are very well made and focus at about the same speed, both are silent focussing, the Siggy has a wider aperture at the wide end and also has smoother bokeh than the Pentax does. Pentax has a 67mm filter size, Sigma is 72mm.
Cheers
David
Comment by davidstorm posted on Testing 17-70 lenses - Sigma vs Pentax at 21/04/2014 - 21:53
Hi Dave
Does setting AF2 allow you to release the shutter when the images is not in focus?
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David
Comment by davidstorm posted on K3 centre focus point issue at 21/04/2014 - 21:26
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David
Comment by davidstorm posted on K3 centre focus point issue at 21/04/2014 - 21:18
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David
Comment by davidstorm posted on K3 focus issues most confusing at 21/04/2014 - 20:58
Pentax only I'm afraid David.
Thanks John, I knew this would not escape your attention!
Cheers
David
Comment by davidstorm posted on Sheffield at 21/04/2014 - 20:54
However, you've got me thinking now and I had very similar issues with my first K-5. The damn thing was so inconsistent with focus, particularly with the DA 17-70, sometimes it back-focussed, sometimes it front focussed and occasionally it got it right! I haven't had any other bodies that exhibited this behaviour and it was only with certain lenses, also the same lens on other bodies behaves perfectly!
Regards
David
Comment by davidstorm posted on K3 focus issues most confusing at 21/04/2014 - 20:45
I have to calibrate all my lenses with each camera, the longer the lens the more critical this becomes.
As an aside, I've found the focussing on my K-3 to be very accurate and consistent, with all lenses tried so far. The Sigma 150-500 seems very good with this combination, as for the DA*300, well I don't have one yet, but hope to get one pretty soon, so I will report back then.
Regards
David
Comment by davidstorm posted on K3 focus issues most confusing at 21/04/2014 - 20:41
Might have a long wait for mine in view of the camera I had with me...
Cheers
David
Comment by davidstorm posted on Sheffield at 21/04/2014 - 19:25
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David
Comment by davidstorm posted on Sheffield at 21/04/2014 - 18:47


What if the lens was right at its minimum focus distance. Could it be focusing on the back antenna which is far enough away to just be on the minimum and the leaves at the front because they are actually off at angle so further and back within the minimal focus distance? I was pretty close to the subject on thinking about it.
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David