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Comment by Anvh posted on K20D vs K-X at 19/11/2009 - 13:29
Thank you Richard for you reply it cleared up some things.
Will have a look into those manuals.
Some photo editing are easier to do in such programs then RAW converters, that's one thing. Also certain effects are easier or can only be created in photoshop and illustrator.
As an personal example, last month I made cover for a book, now that you can do in a RAW converter.
Of course if your output is simply a photo then they will do very good but there are also other creative forms of outputs.
I must add that if you want to directly open, LR and PS need to be using the same ACR version, at least i believe that's the deal.
Here is a screen capture video if you don't believe me link
With Silkypix doing manual you mean making a TIFF right and then open it in Photoshop?
The delay isn't significant but I don't know why it's there since it isn't in the others, that's what bothers me a tiny bit, besides that it works very good if you know your way around.
Are there any more RAW converters that can be classed as very good?
Have tried the big 3 but there must be others out there right.
Will have a look into those manuals.
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Silkypix Pro is definitely an image processing program as well as Raw conversion, you can use it with JPEG's and TIFF's as well as Raw, I don't understand your statement at all!
Sorry "processing" needs to be "editing", my bad.Silkypix Pro is definitely an image processing program as well as Raw conversion, you can use it with JPEG's and TIFF's as well as Raw, I don't understand your statement at all!
Some photo editing are easier to do in such programs then RAW converters, that's one thing. Also certain effects are easier or can only be created in photoshop and illustrator.
As an personal example, last month I made cover for a book, now that you can do in a RAW converter.
Of course if your output is simply a photo then they will do very good but there are also other creative forms of outputs.
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Photoshop cannot open a DNG file by itself, LR acts as a front-end just like ACR or any other Raw converter, and produces a PSD file (in memory) so it can be opened by PS. After it is edited, you have to save it to a file format of your choice, when you return to LR that new version is shown next to the original. With Capture One you can specify your output file to be opened in Photoshop automatically after processing, with Silkypix you have to manually open that file in Photoshop. Only LR and ACR produce a PSD in memory that is then opened in Photoshop
No really Richard it can open DNG, at least CS4 can and probably cs3 as well.Photoshop cannot open a DNG file by itself, LR acts as a front-end just like ACR or any other Raw converter, and produces a PSD file (in memory) so it can be opened by PS. After it is edited, you have to save it to a file format of your choice, when you return to LR that new version is shown next to the original. With Capture One you can specify your output file to be opened in Photoshop automatically after processing, with Silkypix you have to manually open that file in Photoshop. Only LR and ACR produce a PSD in memory that is then opened in Photoshop
I must add that if you want to directly open, LR and PS need to be using the same ACR version, at least i believe that's the deal.
Here is a screen capture video if you don't believe me link
With Silkypix doing manual you mean making a TIFF right and then open it in Photoshop?
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It only happens with the tone curve settings, because it doesn't have a slider control, any adjustment with a slider in Silkypix behaves just like it does in LR, i.e. there is a slight delay before the setting is shown, you don't have to drop the slider, you can continually adjust and see the results dynamically.
I know that's why I didn't said it in one paragraph.It only happens with the tone curve settings, because it doesn't have a slider control, any adjustment with a slider in Silkypix behaves just like it does in LR, i.e. there is a slight delay before the setting is shown, you don't have to drop the slider, you can continually adjust and see the results dynamically.
The delay isn't significant but I don't know why it's there since it isn't in the others, that's what bothers me a tiny bit, besides that it works very good if you know your way around.
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One of my pet hates with LR is that you cannot just open a single image directly, without first importing it into the library database. Also, if you move files or directories around your drive, you have to update the library each time. It's a real drag and a PITA.
Yes I know what you mean. As long as you let LR do his thing it works well but when you brush against his hair it can be a pain in the butt.One of my pet hates with LR is that you cannot just open a single image directly, without first importing it into the library database. Also, if you move files or directories around your drive, you have to update the library each time. It's a real drag and a PITA.
Are there any more RAW converters that can be classed as very good?
Have tried the big 3 but there must be others out there right.
Comment by Anvh posted on Silkypix wont open RAW file at 19/11/2009 - 13:18
Oh no it seems we agree but we misunderstood each other
The only thing is that you probably want to learn why those bells and whistles do it in such a way and there for it's better to find it out yourself then let the machine do it.
Altough it's a fine thought that you can fall back to those bells and whistles with the K-X if you don't know it any more, happened to me a lot but I couldn't fall back... well only green mode but that isn't ideal.
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However I can make it do other things if I wish - with it's bells and whistles and still remain in control
That was what I was trying to say and that cameras as the K10D lack those bells and whistles and are harder control.However I can make it do other things if I wish - with it's bells and whistles and still remain in control
The only thing is that you probably want to learn why those bells and whistles do it in such a way and there for it's better to find it out yourself then let the machine do it.
Altough it's a fine thought that you can fall back to those bells and whistles with the K-X if you don't know it any more, happened to me a lot but I couldn't fall back... well only green mode but that isn't ideal.
Comment by Anvh posted on K20D vs K-X at 19/11/2009 - 00:23
technoidiot wrote:
As I progress I expect to become more confident and start using the bells and whistles - isn't this what education is - start in a simple way and grow ?
Yes I understand that but it's truly the other way around.As I progress I expect to become more confident and start using the bells and whistles - isn't this what education is - start in a simple way and grow ?
See it as the gearing in a car.
An automatic is a P&S, you put it in drive and you go.
The thing is that it needs all sorts of bells and whistles to select the right gear for you.
half automatic would be the K-X, you need to select the right gear to drive or else you won't go anywhere. Still is an question of only getting the number right and the car does the rest.
Now something like the K10D would be manual.
You need to select the right gear all by yourself and move the gear yourself to.
Far simpler system with less bells and whistles.
I know it isn't the best explanation but I hope it worked
Comment by Anvh posted on K20D vs K-X at 18/11/2009 - 23:33
Oggy wrote:
Surely you meant to say "the Elite".
To be honest I don't know what the professionals are using, would be interesting to know though.Surely you meant to say "the Elite".
If I would make a guess I think it would be Capture One though.
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Silkypix does have just as many local controls, they are just named differently and many perform in a different way, in fact there are considerably more adjustments than with almost any other RC, you will have to persevere with the different way of arriving at the results you are after. There are at least two very important controls that LR doesn't have and that is perspective correction and lens distortion correction. Also the CA correction is much easier to implement with SP, the automatic eye dropper control is an absolute boon, as well as the dodging control (do read up about that!).
Please would you care to share the names of those local controls?Silkypix does have just as many local controls, they are just named differently and many perform in a different way, in fact there are considerably more adjustments than with almost any other RC, you will have to persevere with the different way of arriving at the results you are after. There are at least two very important controls that LR doesn't have and that is perspective correction and lens distortion correction. Also the CA correction is much easier to implement with SP, the automatic eye dropper control is an absolute boon, as well as the dodging control (do read up about that!).
Yes it certainly is a big lack that LR that it does not have Lens correction controls like many other RAW converters.
Dodging tool appears to do the same thing as brightness in LR, at least that's what I've heard. Also need to look into that.
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Also with SP (Pro version), there is now very little need to open your image in Photoshop for final output as Silkypix now has printing profile support and has very full control over final output for both print and screen.
That depends on what you do with your photo, for what I do I need a image processing program not a raw converter.Also with SP (Pro version), there is now very little need to open your image in Photoshop for final output as Silkypix now has printing profile support and has very full control over final output for both print and screen.
If we merely talk about printing then Lightroom already had that since day one.
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In fact, with LR, a large (PSD) file is produced in the background before it is opened in Photoshop. I agree that it would be nice if SP had the ability to directly open output files in an external editor like Photoshop just like Capture One can, but nothing is perfect!
No LR does not do that, at least when using DNG it truly directly open the file in Photoshop CS4 without creating a file a PSD or TIFF.In fact, with LR, a large (PSD) file is produced in the background before it is opened in Photoshop. I agree that it would be nice if SP had the ability to directly open output files in an external editor like Photoshop just like Capture One can, but nothing is perfect!
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Regarding speed, I find that Silkypix Pro is slightly faster than LR3 and Capture One v4 on my machine and Raw Therapee is much slower. My computer is nothing special, it's an Acer Aspire 5920 laptop dual core with 4GB Ram, 320GB SATA 2 7200 rpm HD running Vista Premium.
I was applying when editing.Regarding speed, I find that Silkypix Pro is slightly faster than LR3 and Capture One v4 on my machine and Raw Therapee is much slower. My computer is nothing special, it's an Acer Aspire 5920 laptop dual core with 4GB Ram, 320GB SATA 2 7200 rpm HD running Vista Premium.
If I move a slider in PS it takes around a second before a setting is applied, you see it working. With Capture one and Lightroom the effects are seen faster although the interface hicks a bit when applying the setting, Silkypix does not do that.
When working with the curve tool in SP you need to drop it to see the effect where with the "others" you don't have to drop it, that was one thing that annoyed me though.
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Finally do not confuse Silkypix Pro with Silkypix v4 or v3, it's a much more comprehensive program.
Using Silkypix Developer Studio Pro v4 here Finally do not confuse Silkypix Pro with Silkypix v4 or v3, it's a much more comprehensive program.
Comment by Anvh posted on Silkypix wont open RAW file at 18/11/2009 - 23:16
Mongoose is right though.
Since the K10D does not have those fancy auto modes its clearer to understand what the camera is doing.
If I would set the K-X on portrait mode I would constantly question the camera if it's doing the right thing, although it might be better for someone not knowing a thing about photography.... although I don't think they should buy a DSLR if you are not willing to learn more about it.
ps. Angela, glad to see you think differently but the K-X has a lot more bells and whistles then the "more advance" cameras.
Since the K10D does not have those fancy auto modes its clearer to understand what the camera is doing.
If I would set the K-X on portrait mode I would constantly question the camera if it's doing the right thing, although it might be better for someone not knowing a thing about photography.... although I don't think they should buy a DSLR if you are not willing to learn more about it.
ps. Angela, glad to see you think differently but the K-X has a lot more bells and whistles then the "more advance" cameras.
Comment by Anvh posted on K20D vs K-X at 18/11/2009 - 22:44
George Lazarette wrote:
I understand why you would use interpolation for making much bigger images.
What I don't understand is why it would help with digitising slides.
G
Not but the OP said it was appealing to blow them up to poster size. I understand why you would use interpolation for making much bigger images.
What I don't understand is why it would help with digitising slides.
G
Comment by Anvh posted on Software editing and interpolation at 18/11/2009 - 22:40
Sorry I don't smoke George
Running silkypix again on the pc, the last time that happened was 8 months ago.
The interface hasn't being improved with v4 which is pity I believe and it still isn't as responsive as the others, like Capture one v4 and Lightroom 2.5 that are also running here.
I believe Capture one is trying to position itself between Silkypix and Lightroom and I liked it the best of the three to be honest.
The only problem is that Capture one doesn't work so well with other RAW converters it seems and I don't want to change my current workflow and files to accommodate Capture one, so I decided not to use it anymore.
(might be a fault on my side though, if you don't find it a problem please say so!)
Silkypix can work quite well besides Lightroom, I only wished it was more like capture one to use. If so I would certainly consider to add it between Lightroom and Photoshop, so using LR to archive the photos and Silkypix to converter them for PS.
It is an extra step in the workflow but would be happy to make it for certain photos if it meant a better product at the end.... although if it can convince me to do so in 30 days which I don't think it can.
Comment by Anvh posted on Silkypix wont open RAW file at 18/11/2009 - 22:30
George if you read my second comment then that's not what I meant, keep up with the facts okay
Also where does that "many" come from?
If we were such sheeps we wouldn't have picked a Pentax camera probably, well maybe in the old days but not now.
Also where does that "many" come from?
If we were such sheeps we wouldn't have picked a Pentax camera probably, well maybe in the old days but not now.
Comment by Anvh posted on Silkypix wont open RAW file at 18/11/2009 - 21:54
£550 certainly is a better price.
At the moment I don't have the money to ponder about it but the price I named would be at the top limited I want to lay down for it.
Maybe when the finance is a bit more positive I might be lucky to find a second hand one.
At the moment I don't have the money to ponder about it but the price I named would be at the top limited I want to lay down for it.
Maybe when the finance is a bit more positive I might be lucky to find a second hand one.
Comment by Anvh posted on Bigging up the DA17-70 at 18/11/2009 - 21:02
We now have the K-7 and the K-X, do you think pentax will put a camera in between them?
Probably something like the K200D (same size, top lcd, weather sealeed) but then with a Penta-prism would be nice and with the sensor of the K-X, I'm sure some would agree with me.