I'm one of the weird ones I don't see the purpose in FF sensor at the moment but would love a MF camera and that's just because of the nature of those camera's.

Some examples?
it's hard to do that with the K20D

About the lenses that's a personal thing although the depth of field I think is a valid point but you didn't named that

Why.., I don't see what you mean?

They rule in what?

Mike what do you think about this lens compared to your Tamron 90mm f2.8macro?

I'm quite tempted to buy a DA70 for his size and a DA21, I already have the DA40 so all three together would make for a nice walk around solution.
One lens in each pocket and on on the lens.

Sorry to offend you Offertonhatter, I just hate to censor it like this C****n, it's just like they are afraid of the word and are calling it the dark side.

Sorry that I make a point out of this, although it's just in good fun of course, but I find it more childish & pathetic then fun to be honest to talk about another brand like that.
Aren't we proud enough about Pentax that we need to protect us like this?


Now back to the topic.
We is a big word you know, I'm not for FF and some others here neither.
I can see the merits of FF but the difference is quite small and the APS-C has matured quite well.
Can you tell me about why you want FF besides noise & dynamic range?

Most of us are already quite impressed with the KX but Sony has already a newer generation of that sensor (exmor R) and I think we can see that pretty soon in APS-C sized cameras and then the difference might be very small with the current FF DSLR.
Also the new type of sensor is getting developed link.
I think the APS-C will win from FF just because they are smaller and are more then good enough for most of us.

ps. sorry of going off topic again

Well you can see it as that but I see it as that most youngster think that the brand makes you a better photographer and that's not good for Pentax indeed...
Pentax really need to have it from the generation of photographers that know Pentax although the K-X seems to do a good job with getting new users in at the moment, hopefully the trend will continue and hopefully the 645D is a hit with the bigger boys so that we can see some photos made by a Pentax camera back in magazines again.

But I'm going pretty of topic now so better not continue here but feel free to make a topic out of it if you want to comment.

Great photo Mike, I like it.

Here this is what I mean: link
Point 6
Photographs should not be overly manipulated with filters and effects unless done in-camera and loaded to the in-camera effects category. Some dodging and burning to reveal an image is allowed, however, it is not acceptable to move around pixels or add or remove elements. Cropping is allowed.

Since the new cameras have HDR on board you can use that but you can't use HDR software on your PC it seems but how do you control that?
Unless they don't count HDR as an overly manipulation, but it's hard to see where the line is...
I hope you see my point, i'm not saying it's right or wrong though, just that it's a bit strange.

Don, I also hear someone who is happy with the skyport on the dutch forum but I can't say nothing about them since I don't use them.

Don, how do you connect the skyport to your flashguns, probably a 3.5mm jack to Hotshoe adapter or not?

I shoot in raw and use the histogram for my photos so most of the time the exposure for that shot is not correct, so I use lightroom for that and to get the white balance right and get a good composition, so basicly a good photo.

For an end product (jpg for web, print) it goes into photoshop 90% of the time and there I play with the levels, curves, layers and also the plugins for noise reduction are inside there.

I can go pretty far with photo-shopping to get the desired look but I can be subtle as well, just depends on what I want.

The reason why we don't see many heavy photoshopped photos here comes down to the users here.
Dare to say it but it can be an age thing (I wanted say most pentax users are old but better not do that :mrgreen.
Most youngster choice Canon, Nikon or Sony and are quite active on the internet and I think that explains it a bit but surely not all of it.

Let me quote Douglas Adams, just to be on the safe side.

Richard, we are getting confused here. I'm not the one with the problem but Technoblurb is.
He has found out that if he used aRGB instead of sRGB in raw that the colour is correct, when coverting from Pef to DNG. For the rest I'm with you on that part that I don't see a difference either but that does not explain why it does for Technoblurb, I can't get my head around why it should either and was hoping you know more but you're also at lost...

As for PP.
I don't save in tiff for photoshop, I use the DNG instead so I don't bother about colour profiles only when first opening a RAW file, but that's a camera profile and later only when I save the file to jpg I convert to a colour profile.
Most of the time that's sRGB for web use and for printing I use a custom printing profile that the print-shop has giving me for their printers or I print at home straight from Photoshop and let that handle the colours with custom printer profiles.
That way I go around the whole dilemma of colour profiles although I know the printer can print colours that my monitor can't display and vice versa but you always keep that problem.
Working with a smaller colour space that both devices can project is an option but also a compromise in my view, but you do get so good as matching colours.

amoringello had some problems Don, here I explain also my problems. link

It also depends on the flash you use, I had problems with my AF540FGZ and a very cheap lumopro synced to 1/180 without a hitch.

It seems that the Pentax flashes just need a bit more charge to trigger them.

Indeed and that on digital APS-C camera
Do you've a nice neighbour that you try to photography in the shower, never thought the houses would be so far from each other.