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thoughton wrote:
thoughton wrote:
it can be called art if it exists for no reason other than to provide viewing pleasure/interest, AND requires some skill to create it
Art that tells a story, or makes you think, all falls under the 'interest' category.
Ah sorry I thought you only talked about beauty.
That things can get so heated by one misinterpretation

Now a different matter since we agree with this.
Does something that is created with these intentions also need to be excepted as art, or is the purpose of creation enough to make it art?

Quite a lot of portrait are painted not because of the artistic value but because someone wanted a painting of himself but a number of those portraits or called art, what makes them different from the rest and why are they art or not?
What I'm trying to say is, isn't it the viewer the one that makes it art or not?
You can make something beautiful with the intend to be art but what if no one sees it as art, what then?

Do you get my drift?

Comment by Anvh posted on what is art at 11/03/2010 - 18:06

Anvh
All my browsers do it, It's so weird...

Comment by Anvh posted on youtube? at 11/03/2010 - 17:50

Anvh
It says I need to upgrade flash while I did that twice and I'm now running the beta, very strange. It did that since yesterday, it seems the change the way youtube looks then.

Comment by Anvh posted on youtube? at 11/03/2010 - 17:44

Anvh
I know it's a photo forum but how many more of you are having problems with youtube?
It says I should upgrade my flash and I already have done that twice and I'm even using the beta now... please tell me I ain't the only one with a problem

Comment by Anvh posted on youtube? at 11/03/2010 - 17:39

Anvh
Normally I would say you composition is off but it works great for me, kudos for the courage to do this.

In the last photo, I would try to lower the noise a bit since I think it might look better cleaner but that's your freedom to do or not

Comment by Anvh posted on A Short Lesson in Composition at 11/03/2010 - 17:35

Anvh
Nah I only would say Robbie that you should look at the whole test and not the 3 graphs I copied. The link is the long red coloured sentence, you can't miss however many did.

And for that comment it wasn't directed at you so I don't see why you should take it personal?

It was aimed to John and Tim who said
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I'll agree IE8 is very similar in speed to Firefox.
They didn't said based on their machine so can we then assume they were talking in a global sense?

Comment by Anvh posted on Bing search, get rid of it!! at 11/03/2010 - 17:16

Anvh
So if Jørn Utzon had made the Sydney Opera House not to be functional then it would be art?
In my eyes that's a strange line to draw for something that is or is not.
But everyone has there view on art and that makes it so interesting

Somehow I can agree with this.
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art is whatever is made in an artistic process and consumed as art.
This explains why some things not intended as art end up as art and vice versa.

Now when something is consumed as art is another question

Comment by Anvh posted on what is art at 11/03/2010 - 16:58

Anvh
I don't know Robbie it's a tough nut... in a way design as a form of art that's functional and under design falls fashion and architecture.
Basicly designers are artist that make functional art work in my eyes, but since it is functional it can't be called art, yeah we have a paradox, or I at least.

So basicly what you two are saying is if the Sydney Opera House would not be used as an opera, it's art or am I wrong?

Comment by Anvh posted on what is art at 11/03/2010 - 16:47

Anvh
whelmed wrote:
Art is the process or product of deliberately arranging elements in a way to affect the senses or emotions. It encompasses a diverse range of human activities, creations, and modes of expression, including music, literature, film, sculpture, and paintings. The meaning of art is explored in a branch of philosophy known as aesthetics.

The definition and evaluation of art has become especially problematic since the early 20th century. Richard Wollheim distinguishes three approaches: the Realist, whereby aesthetic quality is an absolute value independent of any human view; the Objectivist, whereby it is also an absolute value, but is dependent on general human experience; and the Relativist position, whereby it is not an absolute value, but depends on, and varies with, the human experience of different humans. An object may be characterized by the intentions, or lack thereof, of its creator, regardless of its apparent purpose. A cup, which ostensibly can be used as a container, may be considered art if intended solely as an ornament, while a painting may be deemed craft if mass-produced.
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Question: Is architecture art?

Richard Meier: Architecture is art. Every work is a work of art. Architecture is the greatest of the arts, and it encompasses thinking that other arts don’t even deal with. Like relationship of the work to the individual human being – the person who uses it; the person who experiences it; the person who sees it; and how that person perceives that space. You know there’s an old adage that a sculptor can make a square wheel, and an architect has to make a round one. You have a certain responsibility not just to your client, not just to the people using the building, but to the public at large with what you do.

Question: When does a building become art?

Richard Meier: Well I don’t say all buildings are architecture, first of all. So there’s lots of buildings that have nothing to do with architecture. They have to do with economics. They have to do with an enclosure, but I wouldn’t consider them works of architecture. To be a work of architecture is creating a work of art.

Comment by Anvh posted on what is art at 11/03/2010 - 16:21

Anvh
thoughton wrote:
The Sydney Opera House eh? And to think you accused me of going off topic! Sometimes it seems like you just want to argue endlessly because you enjoy it.

The dead animal photos you showed earlier are art. Crappy art, but art nonetheless. They are photos that have no purpose other than to be looked at. The skill is in the juxtaposition and composition. Why are you talking about delivering messages?
I accused you of going off topic?
And yes I enjoy a conversation.

She made those photos with this idea:
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In the course of daily life these native animals are killed by cars, domestic pets or power lines and are easily found scattered beside the roads throughout our urban environments. This new perspective made me question our existing relationship to wild animals.
So she was questioning the our existing relationship to wild animals so she made those photos with the goal of asking those questions.

Thoramay said this before so read that interview.
thoramay wrote:
They disturb me. The use of the animals somehow intrude on the picture but at least I can see that the photographer is making a personal statement, inviting you into his picture, challenging you to understand what it is he is intending, almost, in one sense, attempting to shock those who treat animals as though they have personalities, human attributes.
So there is more going on then just being artistic and the photos are made with a purpose besides being that, in your book these photos aren't art if I understnad you correctly?

I agree with what Robbie said.
robbie_d wrote:
I would argue that for something to be art, the primary function of it needs to be art.

In the case of the Sydney Opera House, it is first and foremost an opera house (and theatre, pop concert venue, etc.). It may have an artistic design (as many buildings, cars, consumer products do), but it wasn't built to just be admired, it was built to be used.
But the question leaves where do we draw the line, how much of the total must be artistic value before it becomes art?
Because I believe that art can be more than just being pleasant to look at.

Comment by Anvh posted on what is art at 11/03/2010 - 16:18

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