why oh why pick pentax ?


sportyman531

Link Posted 21/11/2012 - 19:14
My specialist subject is trains and over the years I had built up quite a collection of cameras culminating in two Mamiya 645 1000s's. I had been looking sideways at Digital for a while and several things clinched it. I used one Mamiya for colour at 100 ISO (in the sunshine, you know, that thing we used to see in the "summer") and one for B&W at 400 - 800 ISO (when the sun was absent). Now I can just alter the ISO setting, I don't need to hump a lot of equipment around with me, I feel quite liberated! Over the years I have acummulated 1000's of slides and negatives and as I live in a terraced house this is starting to become a problem- for the wife, not me! With digital physical space is much less of a problem.
Then two years ago I saw the KX on offer in...ahem...Currys c/w 18-55 and 50 - 200 kit lenses for £400 and I had £80 worth of Currys vouchers courtesy of Goldfish. I didn't have think twice!
Now, I'm eyeing up a K5, oh and a fast wide-tele lens to go with it. So long as it's black the wife won't know the difference! But I still have those trusty old Mamiyas and there is still some Provia 100 in the freezer that the wife wants me to get rid of.........
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DA AL 35mm f2.4, K3,18-135 WR, DA 55-300, Pentax KX, K5 x 2, 18-50 50-200 kit lenses, Tamron 17-50 f2.8, Fuji X10, 2x Mamiya 1000s 2x 80mm f2.8, 150mm f3.5, 210mm f4, Yashica 124G TLR, 2x Yashica FX3 Super 2000, Tamron 28mm f2.8, 90mm SP f2.5, 135mm f2.5, Olympus 35RC, 2x Yashica FX2, Kodak Pocket Instamatic, Kodak Box Brownie
Last Edited by sportyman531 on 21/11/2012 - 19:18

laurencea

Link Posted 21/11/2012 - 19:24
i wanted a DSLR - i'd had film cameras years ago, but never took to digital. i had a compact thingy and was frustrated by not being able to do what i wanted.

i was bamboozled by modern dslrs until my girlfriend at the time showed me some shots a friend of hers had taken with a k100d. she bought one and once i saw her shots as well, i knew i had to have one.

the simplicity of the k100d and the image quality were stunning, still are, in fact.

i still say for 'straight out of the camera' shots, Pentax is one of, if not the, best.
Pentax k100d, k30d 18-55, Tamron 70-300, Tamron 500 mirror, pentax 10-17, 50 1:4, a manual 28, some extension tubes and a bagful of memory cards. That's all i need... and a load of film cameras too... that's it, honest.

ailurophile

Link Posted 22/11/2012 - 05:40
15 Years ago went into Fletchers Photography to buy a SLR camera. Was asked what I wanted to use it for. Did not know what to buy and had no idea of what to buy. The shop assistant recommended a Pentax and have been happy ever since. Will be buying a new Pentax camera in the next 4 weeks. Most likely a K-5 11. Now my relatives and friends are telling me to get a Nikon or Canon. Had a friend who is a professional photographer look at the specs of the K-5 and he informed me I should be very happy with this camera and that it is really good value for money.

Smeggypants

Link Posted 22/11/2012 - 06:20
generator wrote:
Ok lets be really honest here why do you like Pentax cameras better then any other makes and why you picked Pentax in the first place? But you must tell the truth.
I have been into and photographing for 22 years and had a few cameras in my time but to be honest never had a Pentax until my girl friend got me my 1st one this year the kx and I love it.

I'll be perfectly honest and say that I don't know if I like Pentax cameras over any other makes. My first SLR was a Ricoh KR-5 which I bought in 1985, which had a Pentax Lens mount and after realising snapping was for me, I upgraded it to a Pentax SF1 for reasons of lens compatibility.

For reasons I cannot fathom ( and regret ) I stopped snapping in the early 1990s and after the far too long hiatus I got back into snapping in 2009 and becuase I had lenses and a modicum of loyalty chose to stick with Pentax and bought a K20D. then bought a K10D as a second body, and now own two K-5s and a bunch of compatible lenses.

I don't use Pentax becuase they are better than any other make, I use them becuase I always have. I have snapper friends who use both Canon and Nikon and they take damn good pics. It's the person pressing the shutter button that counts, not the camera.

Pentax is no better than Canon or Nikon. But the good news is it's no worse. The much lower market share is thus not down to quality but down to terrible marketing

If Pentax folded, I think I'd migrate eventually to Nikon, but I'm confident they won't.

The best thing is that, apart from maybe be the current AF performance, I fell I'm not missing out on anything by sticking with Pentax.

Pentax are still breathing and alive and kicking. Long may they continue.
[i]Bodies: 1x K-5IIs, 2x K-5, Sony TX-5, Nokia 808
Lenses: Pentax DA 10-17mm ED(IF) Fish Eye, Pentax DA 14mm f/2.8, Sigma 17-70mm f/2.8, Pentax-A 28mm f/2.8, Sigma 30mm F1.4 EX DC, Pentax-A 50mm f/1.2, Pentax-A 50mm f/1.4, Pentax-FA 50mm f/1.4, Pentax-A 50mm f/1.7, Pentax DA* 50-135mm f/2.8, Sigma 135-400mm APO DG, and more ..
Flash: AF-540FGZ, Vivitar 283

CMW

Link Posted 22/11/2012 - 09:02
Smeggypants wrote:
The much lower market share is thus not down to quality but down to terrible marketing

Really? If only business life were so simple...
Regards, Christopher

ChristopherWheelerPhotography

gartmore

Link Posted 22/11/2012 - 09:41
The Art School I went too used pentax so it made sense to buy a Zenith B and borrow all the Pentax lenses and quickly I bought a Spotmatic F. If they had used another make then I would probably be using it now to be honest.

I have owned and used many other makes, predominantly Mamiya over the years but Pentax seems to suit me best although if they disappeared tomorrow I think now I would go for Leica but that really just indicates a change of approach on my part
Ken
“We must avoid however, snapping away, shooting quickly and without thought, overloading ourselves with unnecessary images that clutter our memory and diminish the clarity of the whole.” - Henri Cartier-Bresson -
Last Edited by gartmore on 22/11/2012 - 09:43

andrewk

Link Posted 22/11/2012 - 10:12
Smeggypants wrote:
I'll be perfectly honest and say that I don't know if I like Pentax cameras over any other makes. My first SLR was a Ricoh KR-5 which I bought in 1985, which had a Pentax Lens mount and after realising snapping was for me, I upgraded it to a Pentax SF1 for reasons of lens compatibility.

For reasons I cannot fathom ( and regret ) I stopped snapping in the early 1990s and after the far too long hiatus I got back into snapping in 2009 and becuase I had lenses and a modicum of loyalty chose to stick with Pentax and bought a K20D. then bought a K10D as a second body, and now own two K-5s and a bunch of compatible lenses.

Wow, I could have almost written that myself. In my case, it was a Ricoh KR10 in the late '70s. I stopped snapping in the 90's, because I was burgled and all my photogear went walkies. After that, I bought a Canon (film) P&S which was really rather good. Eventually, I discovered Ebay and bought a couple of Ricoh KR10 Supers (one of which I completely resealed and still have) and a few manual focus K-mount lenses - and then discovered digital via a 1.3 Mpx Olympus point and shoot, which was a lot better than I thought it might be.

Eventually, I read a review of the Pentax K200D, bought one from SRS and still have it. From time to time, I ponder about upgrading to a K30, especially as they are now so cheap but then reality usually sets in - the K200D only has about 12,000 shots in the can, so is only really just about run in - and it is still better at being a camera than I am at being a photographer.

Andrew
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andrewk

Link Posted 22/11/2012 - 10:15
CMW wrote:
Smeggypants wrote:
The much lower market share is thus not down to quality but down to terrible marketing

Really? If only business life were so simple...

How many Pentax Ads have you seen on TV? I'm not always especially attentive, but I cannot actually remember any.

Andrew
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Frogfish

Link Posted 22/11/2012 - 10:36
Similar question ot someone who was doing a grad project on DSLR marketing and products and specifically Pentax and asked why - these were my responses :

Quote:
- In a market that is dominated by the heavy hitters of Canon and Nikon, what characteristics of the Pentax brand are appealing to you the consumer (price, features, durability, etc)?


1. Feature set compared with Nikon / Canon who cripple their lower priced cameras to encourage buyers up the chain to buy a camera with the features they require. Note even the superb new US$3,000 Nikon D800, currently being feted for it's superb Dynamic Range, amongst other assets, only matches the K5 in that area, both around 14 EV (of course with a 36MP FF sensor it can do a bit more with it, but that's besides the point).

2. In-Camera Stabilisation. This not only means lower priced top end lenses (since they do not require in-lens stabilisation) but smaller, lighter lenses and one would assume lens longevity.
3. Size.
4. WR
5. Be Different. This is attractive to mavericks like us ! I don't buy with the crowd if there is something equivalent in another brand.

Quote:
- In what method is the purchase and delivery of the good right for you (internet, professional camera shop, etc)


Camera & Lens Purchasing
I have bought all of my large ($ wise) purchases from the same local shop, luckily over here they are very price competitive with on-line prices. Indeed when I bought my first Pentax (the K7) it equaled the very lowest on-line price I could find in the USA. Since then I have bought 2 K5s and a Q. The first K5 I didn't buy at a reduced price, I paid US$1,500 for it and it was more expensive at the time than the Nikon D7000 - it's equivalent in the Nikon range. I bought the second K5 when it hit US$900 as I needed two bodies for shooting paid events and the K7 was failing in lighting conditions the K5 wasn't.

Quote:
- What keeps bringing you back to the Pentax brand for repeat business?

Same Reasons I bought Pentax in the first place. I love Pentax, but not so much as to deny myself a better product if one exists for what I require of a camera and lenses.

Quote:
- If there was one word to describe the rationale behind a Pentax purchase, what would it be (price, quality, etc)?

Feature set (for all cameras across the range) compared with it's peers.

In the Future
I will probably buy the replacement for the K5. I may buy a Pentax FF if they bring one out with the specs I am looking for. I will be buying a Nikon FF for shooting birds as the lack of long Pentax lenses is crippling in this field - both birding and Full Frame cameras are very big fields that Pentax have ignored for too long. The togs in those sectors are usually big spenders who buy the best lenses (often one lens costing much more than the camera they are fitted to and many times the price of a K5) and I have seen many Pentaxians move on because of the lack of an upgrade path to FF (full frame) and the lack of long lenses (500/600/800) and high quality AF TCs to work with those lenses.
I will definitely be keeping at least one K5 (or it's replacement) and my favourite lenses (43, 77, 15 and Zeiss) so will be running two systems for 2013.

Marketing
As mentioned Pentax must attract the younger photographers. i think this is very difficult when most will not want to be seen as being different from their peers - mainly buying Nikon/Canon. Though the range of different coloured bodies available in entry priced cameras, the Q and the K-01 are all appealing to younger buyers.
If rumours are to be believed and we have a new Pentax FF as well as a new flagship APS-C camera on the way then Hoya are addressing two areas of weakness. The road-map indexed 560mm maybe too late arriving, and too expensive, for many though.

In the UK I saw Pentax had upped their game in a very positive way with their marketing, using a well known TV star posing with a Pentax. There was also a superb viral video that went around on YouTube and FaceBook. Another great strategy. For younger buyers these are much more effective marketing tools than a list of specifications on a page in a photographic magazine. That is for the higher end cameras and lenses.
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Last Edited by Frogfish on 22/11/2012 - 10:36

CMW

Link Posted 22/11/2012 - 13:36
andrewk wrote:
CMW wrote:
Quote:
The much lower market share is thus not down to quality but down to terrible marketing

Really? If only business life were so simple...

How many Pentax Ads have you seen on TV? I'm not always especially attentive, but I cannot actually remember any.

Andrew

I'm probably not the person to ask since I watch very little television, but 'none' is plausible. A point I'd make in response is that no company will wish to spend more than a certain percentage of its revenues on marketing, and that if you are a small player in the field, you have to be especially clever in the way you spend that percentage. A television campaign for Pentax cameras would decimate what is available for spending elsewhere and any surge in demand would be quickly frustrated by Pentax's limited market share and limited exposure in various sales channels. This is not a despairing observation. Pentax has by and large to conduct itself in the manner you'd expect of a division its size and hope incrementally, by sound judgement and good, sufficiently differentiated products, to nudge ahead -- and as it does so marry its expansion with additional marketing. Quite simply, I think those who write of 'terrible marketing' may mean limited marketing, and that it is limited for largely obvious reasons.
Regards, Christopher

ChristopherWheelerPhotography

sportyman531

Link Posted 22/11/2012 - 15:45
Although I'd never owned a Pentax film camera when I decided that I wanted to go into medium format I tried both the Mamiya 645's and the Pentax 6x7. The Pentax was just that bit too big for my hands but amongst railway photographers the medium format choice was between these two makes. I remembered Pentax's reputation in choosing a DSLR. Also Pentax still provide optics for medical instruments and devices so their lenses must be good!
Occasionally I get one of my Mamiyas out and when I realise how bulky, heavy and un-ergonomic it is to use in the field I quietly put it back again.
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DA AL 35mm f2.4, K3,18-135 WR, DA 55-300, Pentax KX, K5 x 2, 18-50 50-200 kit lenses, Tamron 17-50 f2.8, Fuji X10, 2x Mamiya 1000s 2x 80mm f2.8, 150mm f3.5, 210mm f4, Yashica 124G TLR, 2x Yashica FX3 Super 2000, Tamron 28mm f2.8, 90mm SP f2.5, 135mm f2.5, Olympus 35RC, 2x Yashica FX2, Kodak Pocket Instamatic, Kodak Box Brownie

caj26

Link Posted 28/11/2012 - 08:26
I used a film Canon Eos,then a bridge camera( Olympus) which I loved.I found it frustrating though
as start up lag was terrible, sometimes I missed the shot!
I helped someone out and had an unexpected gift of money,I thought of buying a new camera.I saved and saved.Looked at the new bridge cameras,still too slow.
As we sold the Canon,I wasn't tied to a brand.
DSLRs Canon and Nikon too big an heavy.
In a camera shop in Hereford,the chap suggested Pentax.I held one was amazed how light but substantial it was.
Probably took me another year to buy the K-7 which I love and am still learning about.I am doing a photography course now,and have a collection of lenses!
Tempted with K-5,just justifying the cost of upgrading,maybe wait till the k-5ii comes down in price!
I have appreciated all the help from everyone on the Pentax Forum,all the encouragement and advice,thanks.
I Like being different and love the inbuilt satiability this camera has,the WR system,old lenses being useable,weight and many other points about it!

The_archaeologist

Link Posted 03/12/2012 - 20:39
How many Pentax Ads have you seen on TV? I'm not always especially attentive, but I cannot actually remember any.

Pentax don't make T.V adverts. Nikon do, however, and for a damned good reason. Their lenses seem to come out on top nearly every time in countless head to head tests, and when you lock and load them with one of their bodies you're pretty much onto a winner whatever your level of abilities might be. I conducted no research into DSLRs when I purchased my K10D from a photographic shop in Ealing, I had simply been thinking of getting back into photography and to be honest, the package price in the shop I happened to passing at the time appealed to me, so I went in and brought one. I purchased a range of lenses over the subsequent distance and then one fateful day earlier this year finally bit the bullet and purchased a 500 lens. Later this same year I decided that I needed a better camera to go with the 500 lens, and as the release of the K30 was due, I figured I'd order one...in white.
Attached to the 500 lens, it does rather look the dogs 'nads' and performance wise it's far ahead of my current abilities to drag the best out of it, so I've lots of room for growth with it. The 'ole K10D will serve as my landscape camera and to be frank it's well up to that task with a decent quality lens locked in.

Mal

Link Posted 03/12/2012 - 23:06
Had a canon SLR in the early 80's , i got it for my 18th Birthday , and didn't really get into photography using it , not the cameras fault , i was just busy doing other things ,latter on in life i started shooting with PS cameras , but found myself wanting a camera that bit better , so after going through four cameras , i decided the best thing to do was to buy a DSLR ,so a trip into PC World , i handled four cameras and felt the Pentax K-r felt the best ,looked at the prices it was also the cheapest , so went home looked up some reviews and photos and also seen it ranked the highest in its range ,so got strait online and ordered one , funnily enough it arrived on my Birthday ,so i have gone from being totally uninspired by a camera that arrived on my birthday as a teenager to someone who has falling in love with photography with the arrival of a Pentax camera on my 47th Birthday , just upgraded to a K5 so my love affair continues .
Last Edited by Mal on 03/12/2012 - 23:08

nonur

Link Posted 14/06/2013 - 15:34
I was yearning to buy a Pentax reflex camera in film days in the early seventies, but couldn't afford it. I had to own a second hand Praktica. When I was to buy a good digital one for the first time it had to be a Pentax. K20 was my first Pentax. I am happy that I did, it was the best kit I could buy, then I bought a K5 with which I am so happy as well. I can still use those old lenses with the help of a ring with my Pentax cameras. I thoroughly agree with John.
Regards,
Nezih
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