Why do we stay with Pentax?
Posted 28/10/2013 - 23:24
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Smeggypants wrote:
Of course it's completely irrational in terms of pure technicality or skill of the professional, but capitalism cares little for those kind of things and places profit as the only real loyalty
These are separate points. In the first, in your original post, you suggested that clients' perceptions influenced the choice of equipment, which seems largely untrue.McGregNi wrote:
It's the play it safe attitude. Industry standards often become industry standards because of the circular issue of clients and pros buying the gear that's the industry standard.Smeggypants wrote:
Often in professional scenes the equipment used is to give confidence to clients rather than what's technically upto to the job
Would many clients understand the difference between a 16 or even 24mp APS-C and a 'FF' model, or are you suggesting thaat they really only appreciate seeing a big camera with one of two names on the front.Often in professional scenes the equipment used is to give confidence to clients rather than what's technically upto to the job
Of course it's completely irrational in terms of pure technicality or skill of the professional, but capitalism cares little for those kind of things and places profit as the only real loyalty
In the second, you (more plausibly) appear to be suggesting that photographers buy equipment that will be regarded as of 'professional' standard by their peers.
I'm not clear what part you believe capitalism plays in all of this, but (whatever its sins) it does produce an element of choice, preferable to the outcomes available in a command economy.
Posted 29/10/2013 - 00:23
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CMW wrote:
Of course it's completely irrational in terms of pure technicality or skill of the professional, but capitalism cares little for those kind of things and places profit as the only real loyalty
These are separate points. In the first, in your original post, you suggested that clients' perceptions influenced the choice of equipment, which seems largely untrue.Smeggypants wrote:
It's the play it safe attitude. Industry standards often become industry standards because of the circular issue of clients and pros buying the gear that's the industry standard.McGregNi wrote:
[quote:3496ace15f="Smeggypants"] Often in professional scenes the equipment used is to give confidence to clients rather than what's technically upto to the job
Would many clients understand the difference between a 16 or even 24mp APS-C and a 'FF' model, or are you suggesting thaat they really only appreciate seeing a big camera with one of two names on the front.[quote:3496ace15f="Smeggypants"] Often in professional scenes the equipment used is to give confidence to clients rather than what's technically upto to the job
Of course it's completely irrational in terms of pure technicality or skill of the professional, but capitalism cares little for those kind of things and places profit as the only real loyalty
In the second, you (more plausibly) appear to be suggesting that photographers buy equipment that will be regarded as of 'professional' standard by their peers.
I'm not clear what part you believe capitalism plays in all of this, but (whatever its sins) it does produce an element of choice, preferable to the outcomes available in a command economy.[/quote]No they aren't seperate points. Industry standards often become industry standards because of the circular issue of clients and pros buying the gear that's the industry standard.
If that wasn't clear, then ......
The brand of equipment Pros use often influences a clients choice when hiring pros. And in a circular manner this can influence what brand of equipment someone entering a pro playing feild buys.
This circular scenario plays a not insignificant part on not only creating an industry standard but maintaining it. Adobe stuff is a classic example of this is in the imaging industry
I never claimed it was the sole reason and of course the product will be up to the standard as well
There are of course exceptions in that their are products that are well upto standard which don't get much of a look in, and their are professionals who don't use industry standard equipment which also do very well.
As for the capitalism aspect. We're talking about a business/industry. If someone thinks ( however irrationally ) that they can maximise their profit by using a certain industry standard brand of equipment then well ...
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Posted 29/10/2013 - 09:09
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This might (or might not) be persuasive at essay length ... but as it stands it's long on assertion and short on evidence. Again, I'd question your opening statement: 'the brand of equipment Pros use often influences a client's choice when hiring pros'. Where does such an unlikely notion come from?
Posted 29/10/2013 - 09:20
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McGregNi wrote:
So, its possible that what some of those who jumped ship really needed was in fact a bigger looking camera that their clients (who don't understand the technical differences between sensor sizes, photosites and megapixels) would easily identify at a glance as a proper professional grade model, which must have cost a huge amount and therefore they won't mind paying the photographer a high fee.
My point was that clients who don't know much about cameras tend to be impressed by a big expensive looking camera that looks far removed from their P&S or iPhone. Some people use grips with this in mind!So, its possible that what some of those who jumped ship really needed was in fact a bigger looking camera that their clients (who don't understand the technical differences between sensor sizes, photosites and megapixels) would easily identify at a glance as a proper professional grade model, which must have cost a huge amount and therefore they won't mind paying the photographer a high fee.
I'm not sure whether anyone has actually ever jumped ship for this reason though.... would seem a bit strange. It's not something that would really affect whether someone hired you, it's just about the perception on the day of the shoot.
Posted 29/10/2013 - 12:34
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Posted 29/10/2013 - 18:13
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CMW wrote:
This might (or might not) be persuasive at essay length ... but as it stands it's long on assertion and short on evidence. Again, I'd question your opening statement: 'the brand of equipment Pros use often influences a client's choice when hiring pros'. Where does such an unlikely notion come from?
It comes from a few decades long experience of how industries work. Given you're not putting any evidence forward to the contrary I would assume your experiences are different. That's fine too of course.
This might (or might not) be persuasive at essay length ... but as it stands it's long on assertion and short on evidence. Again, I'd question your opening statement: 'the brand of equipment Pros use often influences a client's choice when hiring pros'. Where does such an unlikely notion come from?
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Lenses: Pentax DA 10-17mm ED(IF) Fish Eye, Pentax DA 14mm f/2.8, Sigma 17-70mm f/2.8, Pentax-A 28mm f/2.8, Sigma 30mm F1.4 EX DC, Pentax-A 50mm f/1.2, Pentax-A 50mm f/1.4, Pentax-FA 50mm f/1.4, Pentax-A 50mm f/1.7, Pentax DA* 50-135mm f/2.8, Sigma 135-400mm APO DG, and more ..
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The main thrust of the argument though was that makers leapfrog each other constantly, so changing marque just because something new comes out can be a bit futile, because next month the boot will be on the other foot.
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