What microphone for video?
Posted 27/05/2011 - 18:23
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bretti_kivi wrote:
There were some comments about a 150Hz filter on the Olys.
It is true for the first model (LS-10) but the latest two have improved this. Now a non-issue unless you are spending several grand on mics that don't also roll off the bottom two octaves. In which case you would not be using a hand recorder in any case, you'd be using something with XLR inputs and phantom power. In fact, such a roll-off has the advantages of reducing handling noise and reducing rumble you'd filter out anyway. In other words, for the application scope they are designed for, there are no appreciable audio compromises in these devices.There were some comments about a 150Hz filter on the Olys.
Your limitations will be dictated by your microphones and audio engineering skills, not by your recorder.
My blog has all these issues covered in detail. Link in my sig. Click on the "audio" menu button.
Posted 07/06/2011 - 22:51
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I might be filming a shoot this sunday and i think i'll delay the purchase of an xternal mic and go for a LS-11 recorder instead because i'm pretty sure the K5 will screw up the external mic was well so better to have that in my own hands...
http://www.wingfieldaudio.com/ is a great site to compare the recorders.
http://www.wingfieldaudio.com/ is a great site to compare the recorders.
Posted 08/06/2011 - 00:38
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Stefan, if you can get the LS-5 it is a lot cheaper than the LS-11. Difference is:
* It comes with custom software instead of Cubase. I use neither so it doesn't matter a bit.
* It has 2GB internal versus 8GB. Anyway, I prefer to add SD cards as needed.
* It's missing the remote and pouch. The pouch is too tight a fit once the windsocks are in place, so that is no loss either.
For all this you save 100 Euro.
* It comes with custom software instead of Cubase. I use neither so it doesn't matter a bit.
* It has 2GB internal versus 8GB. Anyway, I prefer to add SD cards as needed.
* It's missing the remote and pouch. The pouch is too tight a fit once the windsocks are in place, so that is no loss either.
For all this you save 100 Euro.
Posted 08/06/2011 - 03:45
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I haven't read anything about its audio abilities. Frankly, I doubt what they already have out there can possibly be improved at this price point.
So instead they add video and paint it black!
So instead they add video and paint it black!
Posted 08/06/2011 - 03:54
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rparmar wrote:
I haven't read anything about its audio abilities. Frankly, I doubt what they already have out there can possibly be improved at this price point.
So instead they add video and paint it black!
"The LS-20M makes it easy to capture high definition sound and audio"I haven't read anything about its audio abilities. Frankly, I doubt what they already have out there can possibly be improved at this price point.
So instead they add video and paint it black!
Sound AND Audio !!!
Amazing.
I'm jealous. I now want a camera that captures both Pictures AND Images.



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Posted 08/06/2011 - 18:46
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rparmar wrote:
Stefan, if you can get the LS-5 it is a lot cheaper than the LS-11. Difference is:
* It comes with custom software instead of Cubase. I use neither so it doesn't matter a bit.
* It has 2GB internal versus 8GB. Anyway, I prefer to add SD cards as needed.
* It's missing the remote and pouch. The pouch is too tight a fit once the windsocks are in place, so that is no loss either.
For all this you save 100 Euro.
Are you sure it's for the rest preciesly the same?Stefan, if you can get the LS-5 it is a lot cheaper than the LS-11. Difference is:
* It comes with custom software instead of Cubase. I use neither so it doesn't matter a bit.
* It has 2GB internal versus 8GB. Anyway, I prefer to add SD cards as needed.
* It's missing the remote and pouch. The pouch is too tight a fit once the windsocks are in place, so that is no loss either.
For all this you save 100 Euro.
btw the differnce is €55 over here
The LS-11 is €240 the LS-5 is €185
But indeed i use SD cards and i'll not use the pouch, software or the remote so no lost either...
Posted 08/06/2011 - 20:21
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Thomann has the LS-5 for 175 Euros. I don't mind promoting them as I am a happy customer. I have found their service to be excellent. Never had to return anything but twice have needed telephone service.
Avisoft Bioacoustics are authorities and have tested the LS-10/11/5 as having the same low noise pre-amps:
http://www.avisoft.com/recordertests.htm
The LS-7 is 4dB noisier, which is still amazing for its form factor. I don't see the point of going that small, however. It becomes self-defeating.
Getting this sort of recording excellence under 200 is insane. Imagine if a K-5 was that price? That's how these recorders make me feel.
Avisoft Bioacoustics are authorities and have tested the LS-10/11/5 as having the same low noise pre-amps:
http://www.avisoft.com/recordertests.htm
The LS-7 is 4dB noisier, which is still amazing for its form factor. I don't see the point of going that small, however. It becomes self-defeating.
Getting this sort of recording excellence under 200 is insane. Imagine if a K-5 was that price? That's how these recorders make me feel.
Posted 08/06/2011 - 20:38
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Thanks rparmar already did some investigation off my own and they are indeed the same beside the points you name.
Edit: found on a forum they orded it in 24 hours in the netherlands so wish me luck...
rparmar wrote:
Thomann has the LS-5 for 175 Euros.
It's €179 but i'm curious how fast they are... i need it a sunday Thomann has the LS-5 for 175 Euros.
Edit: found on a forum they orded it in 24 hours in the netherlands so wish me luck...
Posted 08/06/2011 - 21:02
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I've been to the Thomann facility in Germany. Provided your item is in stock, within 15 seconds of you clicking the final "Confirm" button, your product is being selected by a robot within their automated warehouse and will be on its way to a box via a conveyor belt within minutes. I would be surprised if you did not have it by Saturday if you select an express delivery!
I am in the pro audio industry and am a trained audio engineer. I have direct experience with the Zoom recorders (bought one for my Dad last month). I don't have any vested interest in them other than I think for £100 there is absolutely nothing which can come close to the H1. Simply fantastic and you cannot fault it at that price point. I've recorded acoustic guitar, electric guitar and singing with them and it sounds great. I am considering buying one for myself to use for video, and recording my song ides.
If I had to critique two points they would be that it doesn't feel strongly built (so don't treat it roughly... why would you anyway?) and secondly the handling noise is high - so don't handle it.
I am in the pro audio industry and am a trained audio engineer. I have direct experience with the Zoom recorders (bought one for my Dad last month). I don't have any vested interest in them other than I think for £100 there is absolutely nothing which can come close to the H1. Simply fantastic and you cannot fault it at that price point. I've recorded acoustic guitar, electric guitar and singing with them and it sounds great. I am considering buying one for myself to use for video, and recording my song ides.
If I had to critique two points they would be that it doesn't feel strongly built (so don't treat it roughly... why would you anyway?) and secondly the handling noise is high - so don't handle it.
Posted 08/06/2011 - 21:22
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pezking wrote:
I've recorded acoustic guitar, electric guitar and singing with them and it sounds great.
Any recorder will sound great for that application, since noise will be masked by the relatively high input signal level, as you should well know from being an audio engineer. However the application under discussion is not recording your favourite band or practice session, for which you may as well use a cassette recorder. I've recorded acoustic guitar, electric guitar and singing with them and it sounds great.
The application here is video, which I assume means capturing both dialogue and ambiance in the field. Recorders with high noise floor cannot be recommended for this application.
pezking wrote:
If I had to critique two points they would be that it doesn't feel strongly built (so don't treat it roughly... why would you anyway?)
That's an odd statement. In field use one doesn't have the choice of babying equipment. I cannot tell from the lack of context, but if you are referring to my comments on build quality, they were made regarding the H2, not the H1, which I have never used.If I had to critique two points they would be that it doesn't feel strongly built (so don't treat it roughly... why would you anyway?)
pezking wrote:
As for some of the opinions listed here: I can't believe that you're comparing a cheap personal recorder to field recorders costing many many times the price... Compare apples with apples eh?!
I think perspective is a good thing. If a distinctly better recorder can be had an extra 50 or 100 monetary units then anyone serious about their task should pony up. Having knowledge of what different price points buys you can only be a good thing.As for some of the opinions listed here: I can't believe that you're comparing a cheap personal recorder to field recorders costing many many times the price... Compare apples with apples eh?!
For what it's worth, I have been recommending inexpensive gear with a distinctly better ability to get the job done than gear the same price or slightly less. The fact that Zoom recorders are often recommended in certain circles only points to a lack of knowledge about alternatives. That's all well and good but aren't we on a Pentax forum? Look to other options.
Posted 08/06/2011 - 21:39
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Posted 08/06/2011 - 21:41
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rparmar wrote:
Oh yes, the actual price depends on local taxes etc. Thomann have personalised pages for each country, which is handy. Best of luck! Maybe let them know you are in a hurry?
They say they will send it within 28 minutes or at least that are the fastest times recorded so no doubt it has been handled by now.Oh yes, the actual price depends on local taxes etc. Thomann have personalised pages for each country, which is handy. Best of luck! Maybe let them know you are in a hurry?
And UPS is most of the time quite quick
AS for the Mic since the K6 was quite expensive i'm now looking at the Rode NTG-2 for 1/3th of the price but just ain't sure about it... need to look at more reviews first i think.
Audio Technica AT897 also looks very nice but still quite expensive but maybe worth it... so hard to choose the right one, it's even worse then chosen a lens
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