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Spad
Posted 08/11/2024 - 14:06 Link
I am requiring some advice from you guys about the K1.

As you know I have been doing some work with a dirty word camera, while a great camera, I believe it not to be Pentax great. I have recently been playing with my K3 more, and as a result, I have fallen back in love with Pentax. It feels better, it looks better, the handling is hugely better, it takes (in my opinion) better photos - especially at night, and the build quality is massively better. So as a result of this, I have decided to rid the dirty word camera, and all it associated kit to part fund a K1.

But.... I am not sure if I should get a MkI or MkII. After reading some reviews, they seem to say the MkI is a better camera, is this accurate?

As for lenses.... I have some old glass that is all obviously FF, but I also have some newer ones like the Sigma EX DG 20mm, 50mm Macro & 105mm Macro and a 150-500mm, that I believe are also full frame?

Any advice would be most welcome!

Ian the night lurker, emperor of the dark, the fat phantom, the blob in the shadows..... ok I'll shut up now!
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Edited by Spad: 08/11/2024 - 14:14
LennyBloke
Posted 08/11/2024 - 14:30 - Helpful Comment Link
Both versions share the same sensor and of course the feature set is the same, there was a lot of discussion at launch about how the "improvements" could be detrimental to some low light images (particularly Astro) but I think the general consensus worked out that there were almost no negatives to the MkII, only improvements in low light handling of images. It might be worth considering that the MkII is likely to receive firmware updates for longer than the MkI.

Also, do some research around Sigma lenses compatibility - certain models caught on the K1 prism housing causing a scrape (I believe) so some lenses were modified by Sigma to stop this - but that service went a long time ago.

I've owned both and I'm quite sure that you'd be happy with the results from either - if an absolute bargain MkI came up it would probably be worth going for, but the price of the MKII (used) does seem to have dropped to a relatively low level so that's where I would put my money.
LennyBloke
Jonathan-Mac
Posted 08/11/2024 - 14:39 - Helpful Comment Link
Bear in mind I've never owned a K-1, but I kept up to speed with the K-1 and the later mark II and I believe the only difference is the mark II's built-in noise reduction chip which bakes in noise reduction to the RAW files. The extent of the difference I don't know, but some purists regard this as a bad move and removing control from the photographer, with said noise reduction being rather heavy-handed. This might be an over-reaction, I don't know, but for astro there might be a bigger impact than for other genres of photography.

Personally, regardless of the brand or model, if I were to get into astro then I think I'd invest in one of the programs that offers state-of-the-art AI noise reduction and do it that way rather than in-camera. From what I've read this method of NR is the best there is and certainly better than a hardware chip from 2018. So with Pentax the mark I would be the way to go.
Pentax hybrid user - Digital K3, film 645 and 35mm SLR and Pentax (&other) lenses adapted to Fuji X and Panasonic L digital
Fan of DA limited and old manual lenses
Spad
Posted 08/11/2024 - 15:28 Link
@Lennybloke - cheers for the info and I'll do some more digging!

@Jonathan-mac - I take it on the MkII, you cannot turn the NR off?
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Edited by Spad: 08/11/2024 - 15:29
Flan
Posted 08/11/2024 - 15:54 - Helpful Comment Link
The baked in noise reduction does not affect base iso, it kicks in at 340 or 400iso or iso if memory serves. I am sure this is on a gradual scale as one goes up with iso.
I think it annoyed purists more so, but both K1 and K1ii are night beasts as far as light gathering capabilities and image quality is concerned, probably the best out-there.
K1ii myself but I don't do astro
Flan
Posted 08/11/2024 - 16:06 - Helpful Comment Link
Forgot too add, there's a youtube series called, Pentax Astrophograghy series by C.R Kennedy Imaging
All about the K1 on astro , 4 part series , I don't do links but should be easy to find.
Spad
Posted 08/11/2024 - 16:37 Link
Hmmmmm.....

I do not like the fact I cannot turn the NR off. So the MkII is looking doubtfull. For ordinary night photography it might be ok, but doing wide field astro it is a massive no no. I do stacks, and I have specialist astro AI NR software that I highly doubt the on camera NR will touch.
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Edited by Spad: 08/11/2024 - 16:38
LennyBloke
Posted 08/11/2024 - 17:00 - Helpful Comment Link
Take a look at the discussions over on the other forum - I think quite a few who were of the same opinion as you changed there minds when they actually saw results. What ISO do you shoot at usually? As Flan has mentioned the NR kicks in at higher ISO settings (can't find what the starting point is off hand)!
LennyBloke
Spad
Posted 08/11/2024 - 17:01 Link
1600 upwards.....

I also do not like the fact I cannot shut it off. I prefer to be given that option. It's up to me whether I want it or not. Not Ricoh forcing it on me.
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Edited by Spad: 08/11/2024 - 17:06
Flan
Posted 08/11/2024 - 17:06 - Helpful Comment Link
Sounds like its the K1 for you and its significantly cheaper used and the raw files will be full to the brim.
Anything half decent will still be just under a grand.
Happy hunting, Flan
Posted 08/11/2024 - 17:12 - Helpful Comment Link
This information from dpreview could be useful:

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Particularly look at this the 'Raw DR: ISO-invariance' image comparison tool, if you select the K1 and the K1 mark ii and look at a dark area say at ISO 640 it's apparent that what should be black looks fine in the K1 but has a purple tint with the K1 mark ii. You can play around with the ISO from 100 to 6400 and move the zoomed in area around the test image.

Quote: "In summary, given that the K-1 and K-1 II share the same sensor, we expect the K-1 II's sensor and electronics itself to be essentially ISO-invariant, like the K-1. However, noise reduction makes the K-1 II appear less ISO-invariant, but only due to forced noise reduction at higher ISOs. In fact, to retain more detail, you may be better off shooting at lower ISOs and boosting exposure to retain more detail and apply selective noise reduction yourself. Ultimately though, that's a workaround for an arguably poor decision on Pentax's part: namely, to force noise reduction - typically reserved for JPEG - onto even Raw shooters."

This purple tint is talked about and shown in this YouTube from timestamp about 4:40.

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It seems the Mkii applies extra NR as the ISO is increased, this cannot be turned off even for RAW file!
Edited by MikeInDevon: 08/11/2024 - 17:14
Spad
Posted 08/11/2024 - 17:30 Link
Mike....

That was one of the reviews I read... it was that, that prompted me to pose the question here!

Mk1 here I come!
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Edited by Spad: 08/11/2024 - 17:32
Posted 08/11/2024 - 19:18 - Helpful Comment Link
Indeed, it's one of the things that made me choose the K1 over the K1 mkii.
Mike-P
Posted 08/11/2024 - 21:54 - Helpful Comment Link
I had 3 or 4 MK1's, I had one MKII.

Wasn't a fan of the noise reduction being forced on me as I always thought I could do it better in post.
Spad
Posted 08/11/2024 - 21:58 Link
3 or 4 Mk1's?????

What did you do...... eat them?!??!!
The Legendary Terry Pratchett once said:
At the beginning there was nothing... which exploded
Edited by Spad: 08/11/2024 - 22:01

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