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Question for K-3 III owners

johnriley
Posted 14/11/2024 - 09:45 Link
I am just looking at the K-3 III Monochrome and am surprised to find that K and M series lenses work normally and stop down normally without using a green button technique. Amazing, so my question is does the K-3 III standard model do the same thing?

If somebody could check that out it would be much appreciated!
Best regards, John
HarisF1
Posted 14/11/2024 - 10:50 Link
That sounds like a huge feature - I'm surprised that I haven't read about it until now!
All the gear with no idea
Edited by HarisF1: 14/11/2024 - 10:51
Posted 14/11/2024 - 16:31 Link
So many questions!

And the exposure is right?
What mode were you using??
If this works then does it do the exposure on the fly after the shutter release button but before the focal plane shutter is starts moving??? has been pressed but before before the
Lubbyman
Posted 14/11/2024 - 18:04 Link
johnriley wrote:
I am just looking at the K-3 III Monochrome and am surprised to find that K and M series lenses work normally and stop down normally without using a green button technique. Amazing, so my question is does the K-3 III standard model do the same thing?

It certainly does with some restrictions for M lenses. Here's one with the K3iii plus M 200mm and just one press of the shutter button. You'll now need to update the 'M Series Technique With DSLRs' section of your article on the Pentax M Series .

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Steve
Posted 14/11/2024 - 19:49 Link
Copy of page 116 of the K3iii manual re lens usage, says it restricted but not what the restrictions are.

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johnriley
Posted 15/11/2024 - 10:36 Link
I've now run a simple test using the SMC Pentax-M 100mm f/2.8 lens and setting the cameras on Av.

K-3 II - As expected, the lens is constantly set wide open, regardless of the aperture set.

K-3 III Monochrome - The lens stops down correctly at all apertures as selected on the lens. This implies this is not a "crippled mount" but a full KAF2. Exposure is also correct throughout.

Now we still need to check this out with a K-3 III just to make sure it wasn't only added to the Monochrome version on the expectation that older lenses might be more likely to be used.

The pictures from the experiment will follow soon as part of an article.
Best regards, John
Lubbyman
Posted 15/11/2024 - 12:13 Link
There's a 'how to' guide to using manual (M/K/M42) lenses on the American forum. The camera's user manual is not much help, though.

Steve
womble
Posted 15/11/2024 - 14:20 Link
Yes, I use Av mode on my K-3iii.

BTW, in Av mode it automatically closes the aperture and takes a reading before taking a photo. As a result you cannot "preview" what the shutter speed is going to be as it doesn't know...

The aperture set on the dial just stores that value in the exif file, it has no impact on the actual aperture which is set on the ring. The camera has no idea what the maximum/minimum apertures are for the lens.

K.
Kris Lockyear
It is an illusion that photos are made with the camera… they are made with the eye, heart and head. Henri Cartier-Bresson
Lots of film bodies, a couple of digital ones, too many lenses (mainly older glass) and a Horseman LE 5x4.
Edited by womble: 15/11/2024 - 14:23
johnriley
Posted 15/11/2024 - 14:35 Link
It seems odd that this hasn't been highlighted before, as it's been asked for for years and is a big step forwards when using older K mount lenses. If it had been I would have had a K-3 III by now...
Best regards, John
Lubbyman
Posted 15/11/2024 - 16:40 Link
To be fair to whoever wrote the ePhotozine/PentaxUser review of the K3iii in 2021, the review does say "The K-3 III offers improved compatibility with classic lenses, saving the aperture value as Exif data when you set the aperture using the electronic dial, and you can set the focal length of the lens to make the most of Shake Reduction (SR). It also allows AE photography with the aperture closed-down for M-series lenses". Of course, knowing that it can be done and working out how to do it are quite different things...

Steve
womble
Posted 16/11/2024 - 12:42 Link
johnriley wrote:
It seems odd that this hasn't been highlighted before, as it's been asked for for years and is a big step forwards when using older K mount lenses. If it had been I would have had a K-3 III by now...

I'm surprised I didn't mention it when I won mine. As far as I'm concerned it's one of the best things about the K-3iii. I never use the extra dial for changing settings (whatever its called!), I've never really worked out how to use it or what it does properly, and when I did look into it I decided I'd never remember how to use it anyway.
Kris Lockyear
It is an illusion that photos are made with the camera… they are made with the eye, heart and head. Henri Cartier-Bresson
Lots of film bodies, a couple of digital ones, too many lenses (mainly older glass) and a Horseman LE 5x4.
HarisF1
Posted 16/11/2024 - 18:49 Link
womble wrote:
Yes, I use Av mode on my K-3iii.

BTW, in Av mode it automatically closes the aperture and takes a reading before taking a photo. As a result you cannot "preview" what the shutter speed is going to be as it doesn't know...

The aperture set on the dial just stores that value in the exif file, it has no impact on the actual aperture which is set on the ring. The camera has no idea what the maximum/minimum apertures are for the lens.

K.

What is the delay on the aperture reading before taking a shot? Is it significant enough to be a hindrance when capturing unpredictable scenes? (Animals/Children/Insects on foliage)

Thanks
All the gear with no idea
womble
Posted 19/11/2024 - 12:23 Link
I don't remember it being a nuisance but then I photograph old buildings, tombstones and trees...

HarisF1 wrote:
womble wrote:
Yes, I use Av mode on my K-3iii.

BTW, in Av mode it automatically closes the aperture and takes a reading before taking a photo. As a result you cannot "preview" what the shutter speed is going to be as it doesn't know...

The aperture set on the dial just stores that value in the exif file, it has no impact on the actual aperture which is set on the ring. The camera has no idea what the maximum/minimum apertures are for the lens.

K.

What is the delay on the aperture reading before taking a shot? Is it significant enough to be a hindrance when capturing unpredictable scenes? (Animals/Children/Insects on foliage)

Thanks

Kris Lockyear
It is an illusion that photos are made with the camera… they are made with the eye, heart and head. Henri Cartier-Bresson
Lots of film bodies, a couple of digital ones, too many lenses (mainly older glass) and a Horseman LE 5x4.
pschlute
Posted 19/11/2024 - 13:49 Link
womble wrote:


BTW, in Av mode it automatically closes the aperture and takes a reading before taking a photo. As a result you cannot "preview" what the shutter speed is going to be as it doesn't know...

^^^^^^^^^^^

What he said

johnriley wrote:
It seems odd that this hasn't been highlighted before, as it's been asked for for years and is a big step forwards when using older K mount lenses. If it had been I would have had a K-3 III by now...

John, it was pointed out in a number of Pentax videos at the time the K3 III was launched. There was also a big write up about the function on the Ricoh website at the time.

I imagine if the K1 III gets launched it will have the same functionality.

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