Photoshop running slow

pink
Posted 21/07/2010 - 09:59 Link
I've been asked to produce a image at 22.5x55" made up from three images

with such a big canvas what is the best why to proceed

all the images have been shot in raw and at the moment I'm working in pef file format but it is taking for ever to do any think cropping is taking 8 minuets

would you convert to JPG after leaving bridge or do I need extra ram for this size of project??


photoshop never run this slow??

James
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"To see in colour is a delight for the eye, But to see in black and white is a delight for the soul" ANDRI HERY
flossie
Posted 21/07/2010 - 10:05 - Helpful Comment Link
I think its all about the RAM - how much have you got & what Operating System?
Still shooting in the dark (literally and metaphorically)...
snappychappy
Posted 21/07/2010 - 10:16 Link
Are all the images open at once, edite each seperatelty then open them all and stitch together.
pink
Posted 21/07/2010 - 10:21 Link
AMD Athlon(tm)64X2 Dual Core Processer 3800+2.00 Ghz 960MB of RAM

Running windows XP Home Edition version 2002 with service pack 3

James
My Fluidr

"To see in colour is a delight for the eye, But to see in black and white is a delight for the soul" ANDRI HERY
Pentaxophile
Posted 21/07/2010 - 10:36 Link
Definitely convert to jpeg after your basic adjustments, before doing anything complicated. Try clearing your undo memory from time, save close and restart windows if things are getting too slow. Get used to frequent tea breaks while the blue bar creeps across.
pink
Posted 21/07/2010 - 10:47 Link
Yes but if I convert to JPG I will lose layer infomation

James
My Fluidr

"To see in colour is a delight for the eye, But to see in black and white is a delight for the soul" ANDRI HERY
Pentaxophile
Posted 21/07/2010 - 10:52 Link
I was confused because you said pef, which is the raw format. Yes you'll need to work in psd format if you've got layers. At the point where you no longer need layers, save a jpeg and work on that, but keep a psd file with layers in case you need to go back.
pink
Posted 21/07/2010 - 10:57 Link
I'm going to try converting to 8bit first to see if that helps.

since i started this post I have cropped once and removed background and tried to save four times and it says file to big (over 2mb)

james
My Fluidr

"To see in colour is a delight for the eye, But to see in black and white is a delight for the soul" ANDRI HERY
amoringello
Posted 21/07/2010 - 11:02 - Helpful Comment Link
pink wrote:
AMD Athlon(tm)64X2 Dual Core Processer 3800+2.00 Ghz 960MB of RAM
Running windows XP Home Edition version 2002 with service pack 3
960MB? That must be free RAM. (thats not enough to run XP itself)
Do you know how much total RAM you have?
PS will take lots, but 960MB free indicates you're not totally out of RAM yet.
Although if you do not have 3G, you may want to upgrade. (you can put 4G in XP, but only 3.5 will be used by Windows so don't waste your money. Get Windows 7 or a Mac if you want to get away from 1980's style memory handling)

At 22x55, are the images at actual size or scaled up?
You may want to work with native resolution and only scale to full size when your work is done.
Three full sized images should not be taxing too much from your system.
Three scaled up images will likely require a LOT of processing.

My recommendation would be to work at native resolution if that is possible.

Also, if you're not doing a lot of blending or color manipulation, I would suggest working in 8bit mode instead of 16bit (if not already doing so).

Otherwise do what you can on the individual images, then convert down to 8bit and work on the combined image set with the processed images (saved as TIFF or PSD. Do not work off JPG. Saving as JPG once in between at Quality 12 should be OK but at larger sizes any degradation will become more noticeable .)
snappychappy
Posted 21/07/2010 - 11:04 - Helpful Comment Link
980mb of RAM seem's very littl, 2GB should be minimum used, and ideally 3GB. I would use the Crucial memory system scan, this scans your PC and detects how much Ram you can fit and then selects the correct RAM for you. It's available here.
Algernon
Posted 21/07/2010 - 11:11 Link
XnView (Freeware) http://www.xnview.org is one of the best programs I've come across for joining images precisely. Just do all the PP work in PS save as jpegs (tiffs might also work) then use "create strip of images" in XnView.
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amoringello
Posted 21/07/2010 - 11:11 Link
snappychappy wrote:
I would use the Crucial memory system scan, this scans your PC and detects how much Ram you can fit and then selects the correct RAM for you.
That is cool. Wish I had that when I had a PC. So many times trying to scrounge up the docs or doing searches on the motherboad's model# in order to see how high I could go with buying new RAM. (usually to find that the motherboard only supported 2G of RAM or less).
amoringello
Posted 21/07/2010 - 11:30 Link
pink wrote:

since i started this post I have cropped once and removed background and tried to save four times and it says file to big (over 2mb)
Have to ask a silly question... I assume the message said the file was over 2G, not over 2M.
Hmmm, that being the case...
I am just looking up some info and it seems to point to the issue being that XP Home cannot handle files over 2G! Anyone else able to confirm if that is true?

If so, you need a better OS for doing large scale projects.
With a 2G filesize limit, it isn't even worth upgrading your RAM to 3G until you go to XP Pro or any OS that can use larger file sizes.

Basically, I suspect your temp file needed for PS to operate (and probably the temp file needed for the OS to operate) are getting near their top end and causing a lot of slow down. You are not yet memory bound, with nearly 1G free RAM, but everything that normally gets swapped out to disk is fighting hard to reorganize itself to fit in your memory/disk space configuration.

Sadly, it appears you need an OS upgrade, possibly a memory upgrade... and in a worst case scenario a motherboard upgrade. (my guess is that the motherboard is sufficient and you do not need to worry about that... an AMD64X2 dual core mother board should almost certainly handle 4G of RAM)
Edited by amoringello: 21/07/2010 - 11:32
snappychappy
Posted 21/07/2010 - 11:34 Link
amoringello wrote:
snappychappy wrote:
I would use the Crucial memory system scan, this scans your PC and detects how much Ram you can fit and then selects the correct RAM for you.
That is cool. Wish I had that when I had a PC. So many times trying to scrounge up the docs or doing searches on the motherboad's model# in order to see how high I could go with buying new RAM. (usually to find that the motherboard only supported 2G of RAM or less).
It is useful, there is an American store and a British one.
pink
Posted 21/07/2010 - 11:44 Link
well thank you for the advice and insight I have ordered new RAM 2 more 1 GB paired so their should be no timing issues

so now I will have 3 GB of Ram and will try and find a xp pro to help speed up things

I may even try and find a better video card for my computer and suggestions


James
My Fluidr

"To see in colour is a delight for the eye, But to see in black and white is a delight for the soul" ANDRI HERY

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