Pentax K-1 Mark II rumours


johnriley

Link Posted 28/01/2018 - 21:45
darkskies wrote:
Gig photography - normally, 3 songs, no flash. Unless it's a small venue, but it's still no flash.

I think this is a pity in many ways. In any show there are defining moments scattered throughout the performance and these just won't be seen and recorded if only one two or three songs are available for photographers. The audience I guess has the advantage in this. For example, one of my favourite shots from last year's Frankie Valli tour was a really relaxed shot at the end of the concert, with the group happy that it had all gone really well, earpieces discarded and that was it. The look of satisfaction of a job well done is a defining moment for me.

An MX-1 at ISO1600 could cope quite happily, so I'm sure a K-1 would do even better.



Best regards, John

richandfleur

Link Posted 28/01/2018 - 23:21
Re a Pentax K-1 Mark II, this will be cool to see what they come up with. In some respect I'd expect this to be a pretty obvious upgrade path. The K-1 had a limited buffer and burst rate, so improving this would seem a likely choice.

What I'm interested to see though, is when will Pentax look to address their core weaknesses, such as AF and video capabilities, along with support for 3rd party lens providers? These seem to be the areas that are lowering it's market appeal (along with a complete lack of marketing and ability to easily purchase).

Autofocus is accurate and has come a long way, but by 2018 standards is miles behind, (especially in more modern aspects of tracking AF across the whole sensor, or Eye AF for example). This may be linked to the legacy in body screw drive system, which sadly would then mean a full upgrade of lenses to improve.

The video mode hasn't been touched significantly since 2012 (6 years ago now?!) where they removed real sensor stabilisation (now found on Panasonic, Olympus, Sony etc)

I've been with Pentax for a long time now, and I want to stay, but I'm not really sure who they are producing for anymore? If major outlays are required, then I suspect many will start evaluating wider options. Not sure how others feel?

darkskies

Link Posted 29/01/2018 - 01:50
johnriley wrote:
darkskies wrote:
Gig photography - normally, 3 songs, no flash. Unless it's a small venue, but it's still no flash.

I think this is a pity in many ways. In any show there are defining moments scattered throughout the performance and these just won't be seen and recorded if only one two or three songs are available for photographers. The audience I guess has the advantage in this. For example, one of my favourite shots from last year's Frankie Valli tour was a really relaxed shot at the end of the concert, with the group happy that it had all gone really well, earpieces discarded and that was it. The look of satisfaction of a job well done is a defining moment for me.

An MX-1 at ISO1600 could cope quite happily, so I'm sure a K-1 would do even better.



I agree. But you have to look at it this way. Many gig venues have pits especially for photographers. These are in a corridor between the stage and the crowd. Having photontgraphers in front of paying people is something that should really last a short period, so that the crowd can enjoy the performance without that distraction. I think it works perfectly well like that, and any good photographer will get decent images in that time.

I also agree that it is impossible to get those images from the end of gigs unless the venue allows the photographers to then mingle with the audience and take shots throughout, and that is often at the discretion of the artist. You never really know until you get there.

Occasionally. you get a shot like you say, as above, that would be possible at ISO 1600. But it's rare. I wish!

You'll know The Ritz in Manchester, John, won't you? I've shot there. You'd think that would be well lit, wouldn't you? Well, it is a great place to shoot, because there's decent light, much much of it is back light, and you still need to shoot at ISO 6400 with a K-1.
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petrochemist

Link Posted 29/01/2018 - 17:07
johnriley wrote:

As for f/2.8, this seems to have become a fast lens, probably because of the ascendancy of zoom lenses, but for prime lenses it is not at all fast. Lenses of f/2 and faster are fast lenses as I know them, so we are in the realms of the original three Limited lenses, the 50mm f/1.4, the upcoming 85mm f/1.8 and so on.

Well I'd certainly consider a 500mm f/2.8 to be a fast lens. At the other end of the FOV range a 10mm f/2.8 is relatively fast too. It's something that varies significantly with focal length.
To me a 50mm f/2 prime feels somewhat slow even though the actual difference from the standard f/1.7 or f/1.8 versions is very minimal.
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johnriley

Link Posted 29/01/2018 - 17:31
Well a 500mm f/2.8 would indeed be a very fast lens, but a 24mm f/2.8 would be quite normal. It is definitely something that is relative to the focal length.
Best regards, John

davidstorm

Link Posted 29/01/2018 - 20:25
I agree with Darkskies on this one. I've done a fair bit of gig photography and whilst John R's shot is good and illustrates what's possible in certain situations, it's not what I would call a gig shot. You want action, you want drama, you want sharpness, colour and movement - but not blur! That's why you need a reasonably high shutter speed, Darkskies says 1/25 minimum, but this is nowhere near enough for most gig shots. I have just my K-3 and K-5iis, but I can't get any decent results (what I would call decent anyway) above ISO 1600. Any higher than this and I start to hate the noise, so I tend not to use these images. This is why my DA*50-135 is my most used lens for these events, because it has a constant F2.8 aperture and gets used a lot at the maximum. Yes, it would be great to have more cheaper (F4) lenses, but not for specialist use like Darkskies is referring to.

BTW, my gig shots are nowhere near pro quality, I see them as decent amateur attempts, but I can't really do much better with the kit I have.

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michaelblue

Link Posted 29/01/2018 - 22:59
To get back to the original comment........I hope there is a K1 Mk II coming, then I might be able to afford the Mk I
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petrochemist

Link Posted 30/01/2018 - 09:55
michaelblue wrote:
To get back to the original comment........I hope there is a K1 Mk II coming, then I might be able to afford the Mk I

That's a good point, but I think I'll need a bit more help than that. Recent e-bay lens purchases have put my camera fund well into the red.
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darkskies

Link Posted 30/01/2018 - 11:33
davidstorm wrote:
I agree with Darkskies on this one. I've done a fair bit of gig photography and whilst John R's shot is good and illustrates what's possible in certain situations, it's not what I would call a gig shot. You want action, you want drama, you want sharpness, colour and movement - but not blur! That's why you need a reasonably high shutter speed, Darkskies says 1/25 minimum, but this is nowhere near enough for most gig shots. I have just my K-3 and K-5iis, but I can't get any decent results (what I would call decent anyway) above ISO 1600. Any higher than this and I start to hate the noise, so I tend not to use these images. This is why my DA*50-135 is my most used lens for these events, because it has a constant F2.8 aperture and gets used a lot at the maximum. Yes, it would be great to have more cheaper (F4) lenses, but not for specialist use like Darkskies is referring to.

BTW, my gig shots are nowhere near pro quality, I see them as decent amateur attempts, but I can't really do much better with the kit I have.

Regards
David

Quite right!

But I did say 1/250th of a second, not 1/25th!
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davidstorm

Link Posted 30/01/2018 - 18:21
darkskies wrote:
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But I did say 1/250th of a second, not 1/25th!

Hi Darkskies, Apologies, I can see you have mentioned 1/250 in a few places, but the bit I read was one of your replies about 2/3 down page 2, which does say 1/25 secs, see text below:

Firstly, the artists are moving. Bit of a bugger, I know, but it does mean that a minimum shutter speed to freeze the movement is required. Although this can be reduced for the less-lively performers, a shutter speed of 1/25 secs gives you a reasonable chance of getting sharp images, although if there are multiple performers all doing their thing, even that can be difficult. Take quite a few shots, get a few keepers. Nobody mentioned shutter speed, but at gigs it's most important.

Regardless, I think we agree, but we have hijacked the original point of the thread i think! Apologies to anyone who isn't interested in gig photography or what shutter speeds we need to use!

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LongTimeLurker

Link Posted 30/01/2018 - 18:45
With the risk of derailing the topic once again (apologies to the OP), the discussion regarding the use and need of faster lenses is interesting.

I have never photographed a gig but go to many each year, both large and small shows. I've always wondered how photographers cope with the venues and lighting conditions. At the large venues such as stadiums and arenas it is common to see the official photographers using 70-200 f/2.8, 400 f/2.8, 500 f/4 etc and I understand why. Even in small venues of, say, 50 to 100 people, a fast zoom lens is almost a must-have.

Most of my photography is with using primes, albeit I have (am, shhhh) seriously considering a purchase of the Pentax 70-200 f/2.8 for those occassions where the focal length would be very useful. However, apart from the cost, the size and weight of the lens keeps putting me off. If there was a parallel range of lenses to the current D-FA f/2.8 lenses with f/4 max apertures and the same image and build quality then I would be purchasing one.
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McGregNi

Link Posted 30/01/2018 - 19:13
Yes, I do think there would be great interest in such a range.

I accept the claims made by the low light gig shooters about those specific needs and requiring a bit extra over and above what the ISO capabilities of the camera can provide, in order to get those exposure times short enough for steadiness and movement freezing.

No doubt Ricoh felt some pressure to release the "pro level" zooms to go with the K1, so it could be taken seriously as an alternative to the competition, and not just for landscapes, architecture, macro and studio work.

I think they have mostly succeeded in this, apart from perceptions relating to tracking autofocus performance. The K1 is generally accepted, along with it's D FA lenses, as a serious tool for a range of photographic tasks

But because it is so reasonably priced it is also attractive to those enthusiests who enjoy the best image quality and the special features it offers but who don't have a professionals budget. For them the F2.8 zooms might be a bit over the top, and put them off. A mid range set of F4 D FA zooms surely has much to recommend it, and would bring many more sales of the K1 and it's successor .......?

The second hand alternatives, such as the few quality F and FA zooms from the past, mostly remain fairly exotic and unobtainable, so fresh new choices might surely be a hit.
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davidstorm

Link Posted 30/01/2018 - 19:56
I've enjoyed reading this thread, especially the lens discussions. To be honest, one of the things that has put me off upgrading to a K-1 is the amount I would have to invest in glass to get the most from it. I have some really nice lenses for my crop sensor cameras that I know and love, they work reliably for what I want / need them to do. I don't think I could do without a F2.8 zoom, or indeed my DA*300 F4, so to get similar performance on a K-1 I would be spending thousands. I think I would rather stick with what I have and put my money into some nice upgrades for my MX-5 (car that is, not a camera)

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pschlute

Link Posted 30/01/2018 - 20:53
davidstorm wrote:
I don't think I could do without a F2.8 zoom, or indeed my DA*300 F4

Cheers
David

If it helps you to decide, the DA* 300mm f4 is a full frame design. Works beautifully on the K1. No vignetting.
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davidstorm

Link Posted 30/01/2018 - 23:04
pschlute wrote:
davidstorm wrote:
I don't think I could do without a F2.8 zoom, or indeed my DA*300 F4

Cheers
David

If it helps you to decide, the DA* 300mm f4 is a full frame design. Works beautifully on the K1. No vignetting.

Ah, OK didn't realise the DA*300 was full frame! I bet it is stellar on a K-1 isn't it? The 50-135 wouldn't be any good though would it? Anyway, if you've read the 'SDM failure' thread which includes reference to focusing issues with my 50-135 at wide apertures, I suspect this problem might be worse on a K-1 than it is o a K-3 due to even less DOF.

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