Pentax K-01
Posted 03/02/2012 - 12:19
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ChrisA wrote:
But imagining that just because it can take K-mount lenses it can replace a K-5 seems a little naive. Not sure anyone's actually saying that, but there it is.
AFAIK no-one has said that (and that's the opposite of the point John was making).... No suggestion that the K5 or Kr will be replaced with mirrorless cameras for the foreseeable future.
But imagining that just because it can take K-mount lenses it can replace a K-5 seems a little naive. Not sure anyone's actually saying that, but there it is.
Posted 03/02/2012 - 12:29
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“I don’t recall seeing that many cameras on the market that have been designed by professional designers,” says Newson. “Most of them are designed by engineers.”
There's a good reason for that. says Orloff.
There's a good reason for that. says Orloff.
Posted 03/02/2012 - 13:03
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[quote:3496ace15f="DrOrloff"]“I don’t recall seeing that many cameras on the market that have been designed by professional designers,” says Newson. “Most of them are designed by engineers.”
That might be possible.
I have seen many phone products that has been designed by professional industrial designer. But what is usability, it's an other thing.
That might be possible.
I have seen many phone products that has been designed by professional industrial designer. But what is usability, it's an other thing.
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Posted 03/02/2012 - 13:43
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I've just taken my K-5 outside to take some photos of crocuses in the afternoon sunlight with my 50mm FA macro lens. I tried using liveview to simulate taking such a photo on a K-01 but I couldn't see what I was taking as the screen was reflecting the sunlight. Getting a shot in focus wasn't possible, the autofocus doesn't know what the target is. I'd have had to resort to draping a cloth over my head and camera like the plate camera togs did of old just to get started!
I've got several compacts with no viewfinder and find them unusable and will get shot of them in due course. For some photography a viewfinder is a must have (macro, long lenses, use in sunlight) so I wouldn't think of buying a K-01.
John
I've got several compacts with no viewfinder and find them unusable and will get shot of them in due course. For some photography a viewfinder is a must have (macro, long lenses, use in sunlight) so I wouldn't think of buying a K-01.
John
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Posted 03/02/2012 - 14:05
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johnriley wrote:
I wouldn't lament the lack of an EVF as even the best EVFs are pretty poor. Given the choice, when I tesed the Sony SLTs A33 and A55 the back screen was the far better choice.
If Pentax added an EVF you end up with something just about the same as a DSLR but with a poorer viewfinder and I really don't see the point of that.
EVFs are certainly usable, but only just and they are not exciting to view with.
So speaketh a man who hasn't used a good one.I wouldn't lament the lack of an EVF as even the best EVFs are pretty poor. Given the choice, when I tesed the Sony SLTs A33 and A55 the back screen was the far better choice.
If Pentax added an EVF you end up with something just about the same as a DSLR but with a poorer viewfinder and I really don't see the point of that.
EVFs are certainly usable, but only just and they are not exciting to view with.
Olympus VF-2, Sony NEX-7, Nikon V1. They're all as good (if not better) than the tiny dark OVFs on the majority of entry/mid level DSLRs.
Posted 03/02/2012 - 14:05
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Getting a shot in focus wasn't possible, the autofocus doesn't know what the target is
That's the case with or without LV. That's what selective focus point is for, and on the K-5 you have plenty of choice when using LV Getting a shot in focus wasn't possible, the autofocus doesn't know what the target is
Personally, I rather like the look of the K-01 (not in yellow though!). I'm not sure how it would compare against the K-5, but I can see that video is a real step up. I am seriously tempted by the Q, but with any smaller and lesser camera I always have that wish-I-had-brought-the-K-5-ophobia
One thing is sure - the K-01 is already creating a lot of discussion even before it's been seen in the flesh. That's pretty good advertising I reckon!
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Posted 03/02/2012 - 14:07
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johnriley wrote:
Shaky mentioned OLED screens, and they are really excellent for sure.
One of the things that we tend to overlook, probably understandably, is that a whole new generation of photographers have a totally different perspective. They are the iPhone generation, if you like, and I have to sdmit to being a huge fan of the way my iPhone has opened up communications.
Traditional concepts are being challenged daily and we are on a new path. One thing remains sure though and that is that the new K-01 is going to produce splendid images, in the right hands. It may well also appeal to a whole new generation of pentax Users, and without courting them now Pentax would only last as long as we do.
I say go for it Pentax. The more I think about it, the more this K-01 appeals to me and I think of new ways it can be used.
Door stop, paperweight, bludgeoning weapon, the list goes on and on...
Shaky mentioned OLED screens, and they are really excellent for sure.
One of the things that we tend to overlook, probably understandably, is that a whole new generation of photographers have a totally different perspective. They are the iPhone generation, if you like, and I have to sdmit to being a huge fan of the way my iPhone has opened up communications.
Traditional concepts are being challenged daily and we are on a new path. One thing remains sure though and that is that the new K-01 is going to produce splendid images, in the right hands. It may well also appeal to a whole new generation of pentax Users, and without courting them now Pentax would only last as long as we do.
I say go for it Pentax. The more I think about it, the more this K-01 appeals to me and I think of new ways it can be used.
Posted 03/02/2012 - 14:15
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DrOrloff wrote:
“I don’t recall seeing that many cameras on the market that have been designed by professional designers,” says Newson. “Most of them are designed by engineers.”
There's a good reason for that. says Orloff.
Although I'm one of the (seemingly) few who like the appearance of the K-01, I do tend to agree from a usability point of view. Pentax's engineers got the ergonomics of the K-5 almost perfect. It's a damn good looking camera too (and a lot more people seem to agree on that point than with the K-01). Having done such a great job with the K-5, I'm not sure why Pentax didn't just let the same folks design the K-01.
“I don’t recall seeing that many cameras on the market that have been designed by professional designers,” says Newson. “Most of them are designed by engineers.”
There's a good reason for that. says Orloff.
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Posted 03/02/2012 - 14:17
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MarkTaylor wrote:
Having spent the entire design budget on the K-5, the K-01 was clearly designed by a 70s schoolchild asked to draw a camera from the future.
DrOrloff wrote:
“I don’t recall seeing that many cameras on the market that have been designed by professional designers,” says Newson. “Most of them are designed by engineers.”
There's a good reason for that. says Orloff.
Although I'm one of the (seemingly) few who like the appearance of the K-01, I do tend to agree from a usability point of view. Pentax's engineers got the ergonomics of the K-5 almost perfect. It's a damn good looking camera too (and a lot more people seem to agree on that point than with the K-01). Having done such a great job with the K-5, I'm not sure why Pentax didn't let the same folks design the K-01.“I don’t recall seeing that many cameras on the market that have been designed by professional designers,” says Newson. “Most of them are designed by engineers.”
There's a good reason for that. says Orloff.
Posted 03/02/2012 - 14:20
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JAK wrote:
I've just taken my K-5 outside to take some photos of crocuses in the afternoon sunlight with my 50mm FA macro lens. I tried using liveview to simulate taking such a photo on a K-01 but I couldn't see what I was taking as the screen was reflecting the sunlight. Getting a shot in focus wasn't possible, the autofocus doesn't know what the target is. I'd have had to resort to draping a cloth over my head and camera like the plate camera togs did of old just to get started!
I've got several compacts with no viewfinder and find them unusable and will get shot of them in due course. For some photography a viewfinder is a must have (macro, long lenses, use in sunlight) so I wouldn't think of buying a K-01.
John
which proves what? you need a loup to see the lcd in bright light? I've just taken my K-5 outside to take some photos of crocuses in the afternoon sunlight with my 50mm FA macro lens. I tried using liveview to simulate taking such a photo on a K-01 but I couldn't see what I was taking as the screen was reflecting the sunlight. Getting a shot in focus wasn't possible, the autofocus doesn't know what the target is. I'd have had to resort to draping a cloth over my head and camera like the plate camera togs did of old just to get started!
I've got several compacts with no viewfinder and find them unusable and will get shot of them in due course. For some photography a viewfinder is a must have (macro, long lenses, use in sunlight) so I wouldn't think of buying a K-01.
John
so if you go back out there at night and try to take the same shot, but can't see well enough to use the optical view finder then what? you got rippedoff becuase you paid more for the k-5 and the pentaprism is useless?
my point..over and over is they are different cameras, intended for different users..
the most popular camera in the world does not have a viewfinder... the iphone simply uses the lcd...
we're all aware of the short comings of BOTH type of camera... you can't swap lenses on the iphone, so there is no macro lens option ..
Fired many shots. Didn't kill anything.
Posted 03/02/2012 - 14:29
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Don wrote:
so if you go back out there at night and try to take the same shot, but can't see well enough to use the optical view finder then what? you got rippedoff becuase you paid more for the k-5 and the pentaprism is useless?
my point..over and over is they are different cameras, intended for different users..
the most popular camera in the world does not have a viewfinder... the iphone simply uses the lcd...
we're all aware of the short comings of BOTH type of camera... you can't swap lenses on the iphone, so there is no macro lens option ..
Course there is! The old 'shoot through a magnifying glass trick'. Works a treat! JAK wrote:
I've just taken my K-5 outside to take some photos of crocuses in the afternoon sunlight with my 50mm FA macro lens. I tried using liveview to simulate taking such a photo on a K-01 but I couldn't see what I was taking as the screen was reflecting the sunlight. Getting a shot in focus wasn't possible, the autofocus doesn't know what the target is. I'd have had to resort to draping a cloth over my head and camera like the plate camera togs did of old just to get started!
I've got several compacts with no viewfinder and find them unusable and will get shot of them in due course. For some photography a viewfinder is a must have (macro, long lenses, use in sunlight) so I wouldn't think of buying a K-01.
John
which proves what? you need a loup to see the lcd in bright light? I've just taken my K-5 outside to take some photos of crocuses in the afternoon sunlight with my 50mm FA macro lens. I tried using liveview to simulate taking such a photo on a K-01 but I couldn't see what I was taking as the screen was reflecting the sunlight. Getting a shot in focus wasn't possible, the autofocus doesn't know what the target is. I'd have had to resort to draping a cloth over my head and camera like the plate camera togs did of old just to get started!
I've got several compacts with no viewfinder and find them unusable and will get shot of them in due course. For some photography a viewfinder is a must have (macro, long lenses, use in sunlight) so I wouldn't think of buying a K-01.
John
so if you go back out there at night and try to take the same shot, but can't see well enough to use the optical view finder then what? you got rippedoff becuase you paid more for the k-5 and the pentaprism is useless?
my point..over and over is they are different cameras, intended for different users..
the most popular camera in the world does not have a viewfinder... the iphone simply uses the lcd...
we're all aware of the short comings of BOTH type of camera... you can't swap lenses on the iphone, so there is no macro lens option ..
Ranks alongside the 'shoot through your sunglasses trick' if you haven't got a polarising filter.
Posted 03/02/2012 - 14:38
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waittaminute..you mean people can improvise ways to work around a camera's shortcomings? lol!
seriously... I was talking in context of getting Pentax k-5+Pentax macro lens image quality...but you got me...and proved my point.. hehehe!
seriously... I was talking in context of getting Pentax k-5+Pentax macro lens image quality...but you got me...and proved my point.. hehehe!
Fired many shots. Didn't kill anything.
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