K5 vs K200D


Hullman

Link Posted 23/10/2012 - 14:30
Hi Everyone

I recently had an interesting weekend and had the opportunity to be part of a model shoot. In fact my girlfriend also joined me and we both had a great day. Cath is new to the Pentax world and also new to DSLR photography, she's inherited my old K200D as I've now upgraded to a K-5.

Below are a couple of sample shots we both took, pretty much one after the other. All the lighting was exactly the same, both cameras were set to the same settings (ISO 200, F8.0, 125) and we were using a radio flash trigger to fire the studio lights. Now, I was using the K-5 and the FA50 1.4mm and Cath was using the K200D with 18-55mm Kit Lens. Given that my set up is newer, more expensive, better quality with better glass I cant really see a massive difference between the quality of the two shots. To be fair, I slightly prefer the K200d !!

All the images are exported from Lightroom and the only adjustments I've made are to adjust WB to be the same and crop.

K-5, FA 50mm 1.4, Full size :


K200D, DA 18-55mm, Full size :



K-5, FA 50mm 1.4, Crop :


K200D, DA 18-55mm, Crop :



Am I being stupid, what am I missing ?

Yours Confused

Andy
FF: Pentax K-1, D-FA* 70-200, D-FA 24-70, D-FA 100, D-FA 28-105, FA 77, FA 43
APSC: K3, K5, DA*50-135, DA*300, Sigma 17-50, Sigma 10-20, 18-55mm, DA 55-300mm, DA35, 1.4TC
4/3: Q10, Q, 01, 02, 06
Fuji XT1, XF18-55, XF27

DaveHolmes

Link Posted 23/10/2012 - 14:57
At f8 not much in a controlled setting such as yours...

Power down those strobes and shoot at f4 and you'll see a difference...
Shoot with available light, at f4... You'll see the difference...
Shoot at high ISOs in low light and you'll really see the difference...

K200D is still a stunning camera (reflected in current ebay prices if you consider ages and other newer Pentax models availible) but the K5 in lowlight will just hand it its a**e.
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Digital:
Pentax K5- Vivitar 19mm 3.8; FA35mm f2; D-Xenon 100mm macro f2.8; DA50-200mm WR...
Flash:
Yongnuo YN-560; Vivitar 285HV; Cactus V4 triggers...
Film:
Pentax-MX & M50mm f1.4; Spottie & 55mm f1.8; MG & M40mm 2.8...

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Hullman

Link Posted 23/10/2012 - 15:18
Hi Dave

I "get" what you're saying, the k-5 is of course a much better camera under more difficult conditions and some of the shots I've had out of it at 3200 ISO and higher are amazing. I also "get" that the FA50mm will be loads better when it's wider open.

But even under controlled lighting conditions at f8 I would have expected to see the benefit of a higher resolution sensor, and significantly better glass. Its sort of like saying if you drive an BMW 1 series and BMW 7 series at 60 MPH on a smooth road the ride quality will be the same.

Just expected a bigger difference, wish I'd taken my K100Super now for a further test lol

cheers
FF: Pentax K-1, D-FA* 70-200, D-FA 24-70, D-FA 100, D-FA 28-105, FA 77, FA 43
APSC: K3, K5, DA*50-135, DA*300, Sigma 17-50, Sigma 10-20, 18-55mm, DA 55-300mm, DA35, 1.4TC
4/3: Q10, Q, 01, 02, 06
Fuji XT1, XF18-55, XF27

DaveHolmes

Link Posted 23/10/2012 - 15:32
There're are differences in the highlight from the 4 shots you posted but I don't know whether that's down to the model (who is stunning might I add) moving closer to the lights... Looks like K5 has less of a tendancy to blow out high lights (vest - hem 1st image from K200D)

But yeah... differences can be subtle
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Digital:
Pentax K5- Vivitar 19mm 3.8; FA35mm f2; D-Xenon 100mm macro f2.8; DA50-200mm WR...
Flash:
Yongnuo YN-560; Vivitar 285HV; Cactus V4 triggers...
Film:
Pentax-MX & M50mm f1.4; Spottie & 55mm f1.8; MG & M40mm 2.8...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/daveholmesphotos/

Algernon

Link Posted 23/10/2012 - 18:14
The FA 50mm f/1.4 is probably at it's sharpest at f/5.6.
It does drop off a bit at f/8 and beyond. It's not as sharp
as say the A 50mm f/1.7 It does usually transmit slightly
more light.

The DA 18-55mm is an excellent lens I don't know why people
think it should be poor. It's probably even better than you
pics show, because it looks to be focused on the left eye.

The 1st two pics show the K-5 having the edge over the
K200D probably down to the resolution of the sensors.
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cabstar

Link Posted 23/10/2012 - 20:02
If you where to print at large sizes then you would notice a huge difference.

I think at websize these shots show how good the kit lens is.

I always thought my k100d was better for websize shots than my gx20 but blow the images up then you will see the difference.

If you had shot a roll of 35mm film on say an mx or ME with the fa 50mm at same settings as above and have it developed and put onto a cd I would think that would still beat digital...
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Mannesty

Link Posted 23/10/2012 - 21:22
About the only thing I noticed was that, given that both camera/lens combinations and lighting were set to the same settings, the K5 exposures seem to be much less blown out than the K200D images.

Resolution-wise, at this size I can see little difference, but I can see a difference, just.
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joshwa

Link Posted 23/10/2012 - 22:38
I think the difference is the position of the models face and hair. In the second shot the models face is facing the light, giving better illumination of the face (with less harsh shadow as in the first shot), and also the way the hair is placed on the left, it gives an excellent background to the left edge of the face making the image much more aesthetically pleasing.

Transit

Link Posted 25/10/2012 - 20:25
Neither of the crops look sharp to me, blurry. Is it the downsizing for the web ?
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