K20D vs K-X

Problem is that the K-x is so new that there aren't many in use - so none of us [ and that does include me ] know how we are going to feel about it once we have tried it .

The K7 is the same --- brand new , but there you have had someone who was fortunate enough to be given one for a trial .

I'm prepared to take the risk - I have fairly small paws , I need a lightish camera and I'm prepared to work at it .

I'll never be a brilliant photographer - I want to enjoy my hobby and I will . As it is I normally am out , with my Kodak with me , as often as possible - even when just going into Town for shopping.

Some shots from the Chinese site again.
K-X, full version of two photos (one ISO12800) and a video link

Will also throw in a K7 music videos from the same site link link

PS. the video of the K-X is less quality then the K-7 I believe, is that true?

It's interesting what is considered "suitable" for an "advanced" photographer compared to a "beginner" as all cameras will operate using Manual and Av modes if required and are equally valid.

The LX was considered to be a professional camera and we managed very well with just those two modes.

I think it's just a perception that has grown and which actually has very little to back it up. We don't need to upgrade our cameras to improve and develop our photography, all the features we need are right there in the simplest entry level DSLR.

Of course there is a difference between need and want!

It is, I chose the K20 over the K10 as my first slr because I knew that in time i would want to upgrade. It seems to me that even if a camera is considered "advanced" it does not mean a beginer cannot use it, if only in a basic mode. When I am at a higher level of expertise I know my K20 will be able to accomodate my needs; and I will be used to it.

Davex.

Davex the K10D and the K20D are on the same scale only the K20D is newer

Naaa, you are using a beginners camera Stefan

You too Mike

Resolution: AF adjustment::Xsync:Live view (however basic):Monitor calibration:Burst shooting :
I will concede it is not much of an upgrade from the K10, but for a newcomer it is clearly more advanced.

Davex.

I agree.

It is a very worthwhile upgrade.

Hang on a minute folks!

When I started out in photography cameras didn't have luxuries like picture modes, mine had Av and M and it never stopped me from taking decent pictures, I quickly learned to use a shutter speed capable of avoiding camera shake whilst maintaining an aperture suitable for the subject I was taking, and we didn't have the luxury of been able to change the ISO at a whim or shoot as many frames as we liked at no cost

Like I said, newbies should do a little research into the basics of photography to see if they can quickly grasp how a camera works, then if they feel up to the challenge go straight for a more advanced camera.

Isn't amazing just how simple and effective the 'M' mode is, no mucking about with + or - EV values, worrying about what ISO the camera has set, is SR on or off, dialling in focal lengths, tearing your hair out worrying about wireless flash slave modes and so on.

Just point the camera at the subject, take a reading, judge what exposure values the subject requires and get on with it.

Quite straightforward and not particularly onerous.

Hollywood blockbuster movies tend to be shot with cameras with an aperture ring, focus ring, an off/on swith and not much else.

Less is most definitely more.

I'm too stoopid to figger out the auto everyting modes and shoot 99% of my stuff on "m"

Does it really matter what setting a person uses as long as they enjoy taking pictures and using their camera?

Hooray

Common sense prevails

In a literal sense yes, because if they use the wrong setting they won't get the right picture. No point taking a landscape at f4 if you want to have focus from front to back and need f16.

I think what we're talking about in this thread is the learning curve so that we can learn the basics so we can produce the images we want.

In the sense you probably mean, no, I agree. It doesn't matter whether we use M, Tv, Av or whatever else as long as we are doing what we want and understanding what's going on.