iPhone or Google Nexus?

No Tim, your're on ignore.

Don't care much for your name calling and aggressive bluster. Or your refusal to answer a straight question.

That's funny. So you tell me I "don't know what I'm talking about", but when I clearly demonstrate that it is in fact you who doesn't know what they are talking about, you then refuse to talk anymore? Classic

And the irony in your 'straight question' comment is outstanding. Well done

Thanks again Shaky for your wonderful examples of why a curated App Store on a device such as a phone is a wonderful idea, following your link the 1st bad thing they talk about is spyware! Oooops!

The Bad:-

- Spyware!!!!!!
- Manufacturers changing the experience
- Poor Battery

The Uncomfortable:-

- Multitouch not as elegant as the iPhone
- Keyboard layouts are different depending on manufacturer
- Inconsistent interface
etc. etc. etc.

Things like these are quite important in a device such as a phone, after all it is a product you just need to work.

The only thing I can see in that whole article that I would love to have is Google Nav, but can't see it coming on an iPhone anytime soon for obvious reasons.

Would it be interesting to note that Google have said they will not replace the Nexus One?

Can we stop the sniping now please?

Thank you Tim, it seems it's settled then for a part.

About the trolling and the part you're highlighting and the second part "Trolls are motivated by a desire for attention by people and can't or won't acquire it in a productive manner." if you've for me an article to a internet site that explains it, I would already be happy and I don't deliberate make it lengthy and actually I would rather have it straight to the point, far less reading for me.
So even with your description about trolling I can't fully find myself with some key parts in that.

Back to the topic now.
I believe the iPhone 4 is out in the UK, have some already have experience with the phone?

Yes, my son has an iPhone 4 and FWIW it's functionally brilliant.

Not quite sure that aesthetically I like the squaring off of the edges - the current iPhones awith their rounded contours are more pleasing to my eyes.

In a similar way I'm not so fond of the square and clunky look of the Z series cameras, preferring the more rounded MZ series.

So do functional items need to have an aesthetic appeal? Not need, but why not. It does no harm to enjoy a piece of fine engineering for what it is.

If I could get it in the house I'd have one of those 1960s big ball-shaped chairs...

I think it's important for some though and certainly for the iPhone it's important to keep his trendy image.

I actually like the design but I'm sure there are more like you John that don't like it, too bad they don't make different models.

luckily before my time

I've said that I hoped that the video calling off the iPhone 4 could go over 3G and to other applications, Apple's FaceTime didn't provide that but Fring brought out an app that can link
They did it really fast btw

Don't know if it matters to someone but for some the amount of apps available is important, since that's always mention to get an iPhone for.

Android is at the point of breaking the 100.000 line for apps in their Android-marktplace. Not bad right for an only two year old OS. Here are the numbers link
You can't compare the two but Apple had between 30.000 and 37.000 apps at the same age. Not saying Android is doing better only good, it just shows how big the Apps market globally is now.

The Apple's App-store, broke the 225.000 mile last month so they are still growing strong.
Here are some figures link

Going a bit off-topic here but for the iPad, Apple said last month they had 8500 apps for that and sold 5 million books so that's going well also I think.

Don’t know if it matters to anybody in this discussion, but Consumer Reports in the US have just come out with a report the concludes they can not recommend the iPhone 4 due to the small matter of the reception flaw inherent in the design. This is on the basis of tests conducted in a controlled environment that have fatally sunk Apple’s latest and actually quite astonishing “the bars were never there” line of bullshit.

The good news for Apple smart *and* phone lovers is that the design flaw can be easily rectified by affixing an inexpensive piece of duct tape - thickish but no bigger than a few inches - onto the bezel. How cool is that?

See story

I saw already a better idea.
You can adapt those yellow rubber Live-strong wristbands that were a rage one or two years ago, a 10-pack cost $10 so that's good value compare to the $30 rubber from Apple.
I'm sure you can even find cheaper wristbands if you look further.

Here is the article link

I obviously couldn’t say for sure, but I have a feeling Steve Jobs would prefer the wristband solution over the duct tape. But only just, since it probably isn’t much different in appearance to Apple’s bumper, that he has refused to give away almost certainly due to aesthetic considerations, despite the well documented reception problems.

The reality is that this episode is turning into an unmitigated PR disaster for Apple. As a generalisation iPhone 4 owners are now looking not so much hip trendsetters as gormless sheep and that’s most unfortunate in the fashion accessory business.

And while alert to charges of schadenfreude - as well as the possibility, no matter how remote, that Apple will admit error - not too long ago you would have been easily forgiven for laughing out loud at the gods’ delicious sense of irony in punishing Apple’s hubris through the instrument of their ascent to the heavens: design.

Shaky don't be so free-spoken you know that there are Apple fans here who feel that you're talking about them. You could have been a little more tactical.

I do agree partly with you, the iPhone 4 certainly shouldn't had this fault because the phone costs 699 pounds and they earn enough with the App-store and iTunes beside that so money isn't an issue for Apple and the "death-grip" was also a problem with the 3G(s) it seems so they almost certainly knew.

Stefan don't let facts get in the way of a good rant will you.

You applaud the Android store for getting 100,000 apps in 2 years and saying 'not bad eh!', yet the iPhone has over 230,000 apps after 2 years and NOT the 30,000-37,000 you have quoted!! Where do you get your figures from, the playground at school?? The App Store was released in June 2008 along with OS 2. We are in 2010.

The iPhone 4 does not cost £699, again where do you make things up from? It's £499 direct from the Apple store, again get your facts straight!

Some interesting facts for you Stefan:-

SIM Free prices:-
Samsung Galaxy S 8GB -£439
Xperia X10 1GB - £429
BlackBerry 9700 256MB! - £419
Google Nexus One 512MB - £469
iPhone 4 16GB - £499
(prices came just now from expansys / play / Apple)

Looks to me like the iPhone is priced right, only £30 more than the Nexus One, but it does include 16GB of storage compared to half a GB!

You can understand the troll comments especially when you read your own quotes

Consumer Reports one day say no problem, next day say problem, they cannot even make their minds up :-
Then they do some simulated tests and change their mind!! Come on, this is the equivalent of Which Magazine doing a thorough DSLR test and awarding the prize to the one with the most pixels!

If you wanted a proper take on the situation, from a trusted tech site go to AnandTech, read their thorough review. They quote:-

We can go on and on and on if you want to. The simple fact is, if you do not like the iPhone, don't buy one, I just don't understand the hate. I can understand why people want to buy different products, some people do need specific features that others do not provide, but why the vile hatred?

For every genuine example that you can show that has a signal issue, I can show you endless people who do not, and endless videos on YouTube that show exactly the same thing for some Nokias, Blackberries, HTCs etc.etc. I've held several in the Apple store on several networks, and guess what, no problems!

And Stefan, for crying out loud, before you start typing again, please, please try and get your facts straight. It's becoming embarrassing.

Right on the first count. This is indeed the US equivalent of Which, and it does you a severe disservice to try to knock their reputation.

Indeed they should be applauded for admitting they made an error of omission in the initial testing process, but then again their credibility is much more important to them than sticking to the initial line, particularly now that overwhelming new evidence on reception is available.

Who? Where?

I certainly don’t hate Apple or Steve Jobs, although I do as a rule dislike and distrust bullshit merchants. However, I have dealt with more than enough CEOs to realise that this trait is far from the exception.

What disturbs me in particular with this situation though is the fawning cult of personality, infallibility and blind acquiescence that has built up around Jobs amongst his internal and external acolytes. Now I am a firm believer in religious freedom, and will defend to the hilt people’s right to worship whatever they want, be it a recognised deity, limited liability company, or corporate CEO.

However, when this is combined with Jobs’ habit of telling porkies and liberally dispensing propaganda bullshit, and the evident unshakable conviction that he knows what is best for his followers in everything from how to hold their phone to what their personal morals should be, the whole thing starts to take on a distinctly sinister totalitarian tone.

That may sound extreme but I believe it is largely defensible philosophically. Nevertheless I don’t seriously believe their is any risk to democracy from Jobs becoming supreme leader, but I reserve to right to expose these tendencies in whatever manner I see fit, since the conscious and unconscious yearning for totalitarian order is not in as small a minority as I would wish. And I do hate that.