From a K10 to a KR ?
Posted 06/02/2011 - 17:56
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Posted 06/02/2011 - 19:05 - Helpful Comment
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Wotcha,
I moved from a Samsung GX10 (the K10 equivalent) to a K-r. For what I photograph I'm very glad I did. But, I think its down to what you need from a camera really.
I only really shoot gigs so low light performance is vital and the K-r has much higher ISO, and for my purposes the higher ISO is very usable too (up to a point). Also, I have dodgy vision so auto focus performance is pretty important - with my key lenses the K-r is much faster and more accurate. So for me the K-r wins easily.
If I were you, I'd look at what you use your K10 for, make a list of features and functions that you must have and check how the K10 and the K-r compare. In some areas the K-r is massively better, in some areas they are similar, and as you say, the K10 was particularly solidly built which is an advantage.
Its a good idea to download the K-r manual and have a read pre purchase too. That helped me a great deal with my decision to upgrade.
Where are you located? You might find there is a forum member near to you with a K-r who'd be willing to let you take some test exposures and get a little hands on experience with their camera?
Cheers,
davey.
I moved from a Samsung GX10 (the K10 equivalent) to a K-r. For what I photograph I'm very glad I did. But, I think its down to what you need from a camera really.
I only really shoot gigs so low light performance is vital and the K-r has much higher ISO, and for my purposes the higher ISO is very usable too (up to a point). Also, I have dodgy vision so auto focus performance is pretty important - with my key lenses the K-r is much faster and more accurate. So for me the K-r wins easily.
If I were you, I'd look at what you use your K10 for, make a list of features and functions that you must have and check how the K10 and the K-r compare. In some areas the K-r is massively better, in some areas they are similar, and as you say, the K10 was particularly solidly built which is an advantage.
Its a good idea to download the K-r manual and have a read pre purchase too. That helped me a great deal with my decision to upgrade.
Where are you located? You might find there is a forum member near to you with a K-r who'd be willing to let you take some test exposures and get a little hands on experience with their camera?
Cheers,
davey.
Posted 07/02/2011 - 00:12
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Welcome to the forum Simon, I had a quick look at some of your shots on Flickr, Some good ones there.
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Posted 13/02/2011 - 23:14
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simonjames wrote:
Has anyone moved from a k10 to a kr and were glad they did?, after trying one in Jessops I was suprised how much spec they've packed into a smaller body, obviously it lacks the solidity and weather proofing of the k10 but the increased spec makes it look a good move.
Budget excludes the k5 and k7 until prices drop....
Yes I have part ex my K10 for a new Kr but wished I had not to be very honest.Has anyone moved from a k10 to a kr and were glad they did?, after trying one in Jessops I was suprised how much spec they've packed into a smaller body, obviously it lacks the solidity and weather proofing of the k10 but the increased spec makes it look a good move.
Budget excludes the k5 and k7 until prices drop....
Ian
Posted 13/02/2011 - 23:55
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Yes I have part ex my K10 for a new Kr but wished I had not to be very honest.
How come?
Yes I have part ex my K10 for a new Kr but wished I had not to be very honest.
Best regards, John
Posted 14/02/2011 - 11:19
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johnriley wrote:
Morning John Im just not happy with the IQ of this camera as stated in another post. I have tried your recomendations re the tripod and sharpening in camera but still the IQ doesnt do it for me. May be its me or a different sensor producing things another way but all in all I wish I had kept the K10 and may be just waited to see how Pentax brought out later. Sorry for sounding so negative but thats how I see it.Quote:
Yes I have part ex my K10 for a new Kr but wished I had not to be very honest.
How come?Yes I have part ex my K10 for a new Kr but wished I had not to be very honest.
Ian
Posted 14/02/2011 - 12:26
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I have tested the K-r and I think if you are reaching this conclusion then there is probably a fault. I would keep a K-r over the K10D without any hesitation, so maybe trying another one would be a good idea?
Best regards, John
Posted 14/02/2011 - 12:34
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John, How does the mirror slap/shutter noise between the k10 and kr sound?
One thing I've always been bothered by with the k10 is the noise is distracting at some events.
One thing I've always been bothered by with the k10 is the noise is distracting at some events.
Fired many shots. Didn't kill anything.
Posted 14/02/2011 - 13:04
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I didn't try them together, but my feeling is that the newer cameras, including the K-r, are much quieter.
Best regards, John
Posted 14/02/2011 - 14:39
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philstaff wrote:
Ian
I was much the same when I sold my K10D and got the K-7 .. so much so I actually bought another K10D.johnriley wrote:
Im just not happy with the IQ of this camera as stated in another post. I have tried your recomendations re the tripod and sharpening in camera but still the IQ doesnt do it for me. May be its me or a different sensor producing things another way but all in all I wish I had kept the K10 and may be just waited to see how Pentax brought out later. Sorry for sounding so negative but thats how I see it.Quote:
Yes I have part ex my K10 for a new Kr but wished I had not to be very honest.
How come?Yes I have part ex my K10 for a new Kr but wished I had not to be very honest.
Ian
Once I got used to the K-7s sensor (and I actually find the K-5s similar in the "look" of the shot) I then sold the K10D.
You just need time to get used to it I think.
Posted 14/02/2011 - 16:24
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I can certainly understand some disappointment. When I first got the K-r I tested it 'like for like' against the GX10 - tripod mounted, same lens, same shots, same settings etc. The K-r outclassed the '10 (in my opinion) in pretty much every way - but it was a close call. Put the pics next to each other and the K-r output was nicer - smoother with a better dynamic range. However, take the pics in isolation and I would never guess which camera took which pic.
So, for general use I'd say the K-r is an upgrade from the '10 - but not a massive upgrade.
As I mentioned above, the K-r beats the socks off the '10 for low light work and for autofocus accuracy - particularly in lower light. Mine does anyway!
Regarding shutter sound - I just got my K-r and 10' out together, set them both to 1/125th and fired both shutters. Sorry - they sound about the same volume to me!
Cheers, davey.
So, for general use I'd say the K-r is an upgrade from the '10 - but not a massive upgrade.
As I mentioned above, the K-r beats the socks off the '10 for low light work and for autofocus accuracy - particularly in lower light. Mine does anyway!
Regarding shutter sound - I just got my K-r and 10' out together, set them both to 1/125th and fired both shutters. Sorry - they sound about the same volume to me!
Cheers, davey.
Posted 14/02/2011 - 16:49
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Don't you think that the "feel" of the camera and the pleasure you get from using it is important? (Not as important as the final result, obviously, but we're amateurs and the pleasure we get from handling the quipment really matters) I just love holding and using my K10 (waited long enough to acquire one). The two control wheels are so intuitive and the LCD top screen important for what I want from a camera.
When I picked up a K-r in a shop...well, let's just say it didn't feel the same. Not at all.
When I picked up a K-r in a shop...well, let's just say it didn't feel the same. Not at all.
Best wishes,
Andrew
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Andrew
"These places mean something and it's the job of a photographer to figure-out what the hell it is."
Robert Adams
"The camera doesn't make a bit of difference. All of them can record what you are seeing. But, you have to SEE."
Ernst Hass
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Posted 14/02/2011 - 17:04
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Yes Andrew - I agree. The '10 feels like a proper tool - solid - almost like the old film cameras I used to use - and has a great control layout too. The K-r feels more like a compromise to keep the price down, its nicely made but its not like the '10. Whenever I pick up the '10, it almost feels like coming home!
I have to say though, with a big chunk of glass mounted on the front I welcome the lighter weight of the K-r!
But, I will never go back to the '10 for my live music photography. Its low light performance and AF are just so much better. I forgive the K-r everything for the results I can get with it. Oh, and the control layout is pretty reasonable - its taking me a little time to get used to but hey, I used the '10 for a long time before I got fluent with it!
Cheers,
davey.
I have to say though, with a big chunk of glass mounted on the front I welcome the lighter weight of the K-r!
But, I will never go back to the '10 for my live music photography. Its low light performance and AF are just so much better. I forgive the K-r everything for the results I can get with it. Oh, and the control layout is pretty reasonable - its taking me a little time to get used to but hey, I used the '10 for a long time before I got fluent with it!
Cheers,
davey.
Posted 14/02/2011 - 17:04
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bwlchmawr wrote:
Don't you think that the "feel" of the camera and the pleasure you get from using it is important?
Yes, but that feel is very much a personal thing.Don't you think that the "feel" of the camera and the pleasure you get from using it is important?
K.
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It is an illusion that photos are made with the camera… they are made with the eye, heart and head. Henri Cartier-Bresson
Lots of film bodies, a couple of digital ones, too many lenses (mainly older glass) and a Horseman LE 5x4.
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