Offerton,...you should have been a politician (perhaps you are!)

Your post is all excellent stuff except it's unfortunately largely meaningless when compared to any sort of real life situation......

......"Yes FF would be desirable, but nowadays not necessary. Yes you get more resolution and less susceptable to noise at hi ISO's. But think about it we now have APS-C cameras providing seriously good images at anything up to 6400ISO..."

It fantastic that you can state that I don't need a 'FF' camera ...thank you for that.... And, how exactly are you going to quantify the criteria for "seriously good images"...?

There are loads of sites and info on the web although some of it looks horrible to my mind!...here is a reasonably good site;

http://captainkimo.com/hdr-how-to-guide

Hi Uncle George,...I wondered when you were going to flap in like a crow and accuse me of something and generally try to cause trouble.......

Just seen this entry on the Mike Johnston's 'TOP'....it's entiltled; "What you clients want" and is very aposite to this discussion/argument...

http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/blog_index.html

Don,.....'now you're cooking with gas!!' That's the kind of innovation that pentax used to use!.....

........I can't help but feel that the camera makers are dragging their feet, although I notice that the electronics firms like Panasonic and Samsung are keen to move things on.

Just a week ago (last Sunday afternoon to be exact)I was shooting forest landscapes with two friends who ar both ex Leica R owners and who retain the lenses. There followed and interesting conversation about the likelyhood of Leica offering something for them. A Leica 'EVIL' uisng the sensor from the M9 was mentioned with a tangible sense of drool..!! It was suggested that such a system will neve happen since it may be the end of the M models,.....Although I pointed out that many people have forecast the end of hte M over many years but it has not come to pass yet!

........I was standing there thinking 'if only pentax would get it's finger out!!'

Yes it WILL be an 'EVIL' but it would not HAVE to be ONLY used as one,..there are several types of viewfinder, all with their uses, but that has been largely forgotten during the SLR era.

Yes, I did not mean 'without worth'....I meqnt that they are effectively obsolete as far as digital is concernec sionce there is no digital system for them apart from that massive back for the R series.....they are excellent lenses and prices HAVE risen lately compared with a couple of years back....

..........However, did you manage to realise a good percentage of their initial investment?....just interested.

True,..but then the Samsung N system does not NEED any "lens support" because, with the mirror gone, ANY SLR lens can be made to fit.

That's why the first maker to launch a FF mirrorless system will clean up! I personally know 3 former Leica reflex owners who have kept the spectacular Leica R lenses in the cupboard because they are effectively worthless, cost £K's and are superb lenses. There are several other obsolete systems which excellent optics going for pennies.

Ah!..thanks for setting me straight, that's much clearer now!