Don,

I am pretty sure Peter would be shooting in RAW wheras I use JPEG. I don't feel experienced enough to try RAW yet. I am also pretty sure he would have pp'd it before publishing it on the website as it is their showcase. I am also sure that I need to improve my knowledge and skill in using my K200D and definately my K20D. I must admit that I thought I had the 20D with me in Tanzania, but am now not so sure! I saw some of the shoots the Nikon user had taken of Tigers in India and I was in awe of their beauty. But then another Canon user and myself had a chat and we both agreed that our shoots weren't as bad as we thought given how much pp had been performed to get those images. We really would have been impressed had they been straight from the camera as we first thought

I like your adjustments in relation to the lioness and cub's colour, but am not so keen on the grass My feeling is that white balance probably plays a part

Thanks again though for taking part and improving the image.

Greytop, Pentaxophile and MikeP and all who have provided advise,

Thanks to you all for showing what could be achieved. I think I should give the tread back to those wishing to continue their debate about whether the K-7 is already flawed. As I don't have one I can't say

You were very unlucky then Or maybe it was the season you went in? I have to admit watching the many cubs we saw covorting around and then being scolded by their Mothers and then snuggling up to make up was something that I will treasure for a long time. That and their amazingly sweet expressions. To be honest I don't know how I managed to stop myself getting out of the van and cuddling them

Thanks Greytop. See I told you it was the photographer and not the camera

One day I will be able to do that too

Pentaxophile,

Thanks for that. I only have Corel Paint Shop Pro I have found the Layers menu option but not managed to do anything with it. I have said before I am not very knowledgable when it comes to pp and I have to try and take the best possible shot I can as I can't improve it that much later

I will have to go off and read how this works and get back to you

Maybe one day I will be as good as my Canon and Nikon using fellow travellers But then again maybe not

Hi Mike,

Sorry I missed your reply while typing my own. I have just seen I was using the K200D with the Sigma 135 - 400mm 1:4.5-5.6 APO DG. I don't know what lens Peter was using but it would have been a comparable length but more expensive

I like what you have done though

Jeanette

Don,

Thanks for your tips but I am afraid I have no idea what you are saying! Another example in the differences in knowledge and skill between Peter and myself. If pse is PhotoShop Elements then I am sorry but I don't have this.

Pentaxophile and Bodyheat,

Pentaxophile, no need to apologise. Like I said I welcome constructive critism that allows me to progress my skill and knowledge. Exif Info: Exposure Program AV, Exposure Time 1/125, F number 9.5, Focal Length 400mm, No Flash, ISO 800. It is a crop but only a small one to try and make it the same as Peter's I have just cropped out part of the lioness's hind leg. It was taken late in the day but although not the best light it was still OK.

Bodyheat, your are correct - I can clearly see that Peter's shot is darker/warmer than mine, however, this could be down to the white balance setting? I have only ever used Auto.

Again if the image can be brought up in pp to be nearly the same as Peter's this is again an example of the only difference being photographer skill?

I know that buying a more expensive, complicated camera (even if it was the K-7) will not improve my photography yet and that I have a long way to go But this was meant as an exercise to show that it is more photographer skill, knowledge and lenses to a degree, than the camera used

I welcome constructive critism of my photos and as I said I only posted these as they are near identical shots taken with two different camera (one apparently more highly rated than the other) by two photographers of vastly differing experience and skill. They were however, both taken in the same light, at the same time, in the same place but from possibly slightly different angles and with different lenses. Suely your comments only back up my comments re the only difference being the skill and expertise of the photographer

My shot was taken with the camera supported on a beanbag. The only camera shake would have come from someone moving in the van. I am struggling to see what you mean (I have even zoomed in on the image) when you say there is a lot of camera shake. If you are refering to the lioness's head then surely this would be slight out of focus if as I was, I was focesed on the cub's head? Please can you further explain your comments so that I can see what you mean and learn from my mistakes and improve my knowledge


Thanks
Jeanette

Peter,

I know it could . That was why I was comparing it to the other shot. I was trying to show that for near identical images you would be hard pressed to tell the difference, given the differences in the expertise of the photographers in either photographic or post processing skills and knowledge. I am just fortunate in being in a position to be able to offer the same or very nearly the same pictures one taken with a Canon and the other with Pentax for comparision. Peter has just put his pictures from Tanzania on his website and sent me the link and as I was looking through them I kept thinking he had nicked some of my shots . I had to keep checking to make sure he hadn't

If you want to try and match my photo to his by some pp, please feel free

I like nos 1 and 4 myself and I think No 3 could have been a really nice action shot if you had managed to get a bit more in