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Comment by MrB posted on k5 .......... at 01/11/2014 - 19:10
Could this be irony - the hunter is the one being shot?
Cheers.
Philip
Cheers.
Philip
Comment by MrB posted on the hunter at 29/10/2014 - 19:21
Phil,
The landscape is dominated by the over-exposed sky. Perhaps darkening it and cropping 2:1 to remove much of it might help:

Cheers.
Philip
The landscape is dominated by the over-exposed sky. Perhaps darkening it and cropping 2:1 to remove much of it might help:

Cheers.
Philip
Comment by MrB posted on first outing with the k5 at 20/10/2014 - 18:40
alessandrok5 wrote:
dear all,
I think I destroyed my k5. don't ask my how, I'll keep that as my own secret. the question now is quite simple: should I go for a k5iis or a k3 ?
any advise ?
thanks
I wish you had just written, "I used to have a K-5; should I now go for a K-5iis or K-3?". dear all,
I think I destroyed my k5. don't ask my how, I'll keep that as my own secret. the question now is quite simple: should I go for a k5iis or a k3 ?
any advise ?
thanks
Instead you have made me curious about what happened to the K-5!
Cheers.
Philip
Comment by MrB posted on My K5 has probabily gone !!! at 20/10/2014 - 18:01
Smeggypants wrote:
...I've never ever taken a photograph,either with film or digital that's actually been accurate as to what I've seen...
Putting aside the 2D/3D issue, it seems highly doubtful to me that anyone would know whether a photograph is accurate compared with what they saw at the time it was captured, because firstly our memories are not that good, and secondly everything we see as an image on the retina is affected by emotional factors when perceived by the brain. Whether they are being made or being viewed, photographic images are not only the result of the science and technology of their production but also a creation of the imagination. In agreement with Ansel Adams, there should be no rules about what the photographer does during image capture and image processing, in attempting to achieve the vision of his/her imagination....I've never ever taken a photograph,either with film or digital that's actually been accurate as to what I've seen...
Cheers.
Philip
Nigel, you seem to be unable to see the wood for the trees.
All I am trying to get over to you is that the JPEG file recorded on the SD-Card immediately after image capture is what most people would regard as the "Out-of-Camera JPEG". I think that is the image file that Stu62 regards as his photograph, and I think that is the image file required for the competition at John's Club.
Some photographers, me included, see nothing wrong with further processing that JPEG file, either in the camera or, more usually, on a computer, to create a different (hopefully better) version of the photograph as a new file.
I think it is that further processing that Stu62 disagrees with, and that new file is one that would not be welcomed as an entry in John's competition.
Cheers.
Philip
McGregNi wrote:
...the RAW file is adjusted to produce the Jpeg, but its still an adjustment, editing and manipulation within the camera...
No-one could dispute that point in principle (but I would prefer to replace "file" with "data"). ...the RAW file is adjusted to produce the Jpeg, but its still an adjustment, editing and manipulation within the camera...
All I am trying to get over to you is that the JPEG file recorded on the SD-Card immediately after image capture is what most people would regard as the "Out-of-Camera JPEG". I think that is the image file that Stu62 regards as his photograph, and I think that is the image file required for the competition at John's Club.
Some photographers, me included, see nothing wrong with further processing that JPEG file, either in the camera or, more usually, on a computer, to create a different (hopefully better) version of the photograph as a new file.
I think it is that further processing that Stu62 disagrees with, and that new file is one that would not be welcomed as an entry in John's competition.
Cheers.
Philip
Nigel, it was I who posted the Ansel Adams quote plus comment, from which I am sure you will realise that I think of photography as involving the practitioner in both image capture and image processing. But I really don't care how, and to what extent, people do those two things - if the product impresses me, that's all that matters to me.
The raw data that the camera has captured for the image is processed, edited, adjusted, manipulated ... whatever you call it, by the cameras tiny computer according to pre-set default adjustments as programmed into it, to produce the JPEG file that is recorded on the camera's SD-Card.
I don't see that John or myself are
Cheers.
Philip
McGregNi wrote:
Every camera jpeg is processed, edited, adjusted, manipulated ... whatever you call it, by the cameras tiny computer according to pre-set default adjustments as programmed into it...
No it isn't, Nigel.Every camera jpeg is processed, edited, adjusted, manipulated ... whatever you call it, by the cameras tiny computer according to pre-set default adjustments as programmed into it...
The raw data that the camera has captured for the image is processed, edited, adjusted, manipulated ... whatever you call it, by the cameras tiny computer according to pre-set default adjustments as programmed into it, to produce the JPEG file that is recorded on the camera's SD-Card.
I don't see that John or myself are
McGregNi wrote:
...perpetuating the myth that what we are outputting constitutes some kind of original, pure, un-fiddled with thing...
I am surmising that the competition to which John refers simply involves presenting that recorded JPEG from the SD-Card, which I assume would mean sending that unaltered JPEG straight to a printer or projector....perpetuating the myth that what we are outputting constitutes some kind of original, pure, un-fiddled with thing...
Cheers.
Philip
McGregNi wrote:
UNADJUSTED camera jpeg files???? ... Do I even NEED to make my point again ....
UNADJUSTED camera jpeg files???? ... Do I even NEED to make my point again ....
johnriley wrote:
...the spirit of the competition is clear.
It cannot be easy John, because there are always people who seem to delight in putting obstacles in the way of any suggestion. However, it seems pretty obvious to me, and not an unreasonable idea for an interesting challenge. ...the spirit of the competition is clear.
Presumably, your club competition would require an image that is entered to have been taken using any of the shooting parameters available in the camera, recorded in JPEG format on the camera's memory card at the time the shot was made and, after that recording, in no way subsequently adjusted, either in-camera or in an external computer.
Cheers.
Philip


Select Digital SLR, then Pentax K-5, then the first one in the list of PDF files.
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Philip