Its drizzling here, what's happening where you are (don't say where).

Was it Sunday lunch or pub?

Did you use a camera today?

Wife is checking her email, eldest is watching a DVD.

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Just a line with the on-going 135 / 645D discussions...

Are not 645 cameras and lenses bigger and heavier than FF(135) cameras and lenses?

Stefan, you support the 645D yet not a FF system quoting size and weight as an issue.

slight contradiction here maybe?

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Gary

I had a broad upbringing Andrew.

Oddly enough, I was in Manchester a few weeks ago and ended up in a Wetherspoon pub on Deansgate for lunch. They had a huge photo upstairs of Ena and Minnie Caldwell.

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There are very many ignorant camera owners out there Kris. My having different systems is more down to circumstance than wanting different kit. I have had many adverse comments about my cameras. Water of a ducks back.

Rent a TS lens?

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Base line are good Stefan.

Having a poll on this is not going to change anything.

WRT the 100mm lens, it does impact that lens more as its a macro. Just for the record, I also use mine on an APS sensor.

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With fencing and shooting, the results are instant. The person who says this is better or I use what is considered to be the best has to prove their ability there and then.

Not so with photography. Same happens with HiFi etc. Easy to talk the talk where you don't have to prove or show immediate results.

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You always had the option of the sweet spot Kris, you just framed and cropped to suite. I suspect that a lot of people look at focal length and price rather than what had soft edges.

The same will be true for the old 645 lenses on the new 645D as it also crops.

I was at another model aircraft event yesterday. I used the D700 with the 70-200mm for airborne models and the K7 for the static shots. I could have put the 70-200 Sigma on the K7 but it wont track and lock on fast moving small subjects. The model image size on the sensors would be of course identical but a FF is bigger and brighter and with a wider FOV making the shots easier

I still use and buy older glass.

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Stefan,
Why would Pentax charge the above prices you have quoted when they charge a lot less than the competition for the DMF?

WRT new lenses, how many within the group have a 31mm Ltd or other 135 format lens?

I see you have a D-FA 100 macro Stefan:

Angle of View: 15 degrees (24.5 degrees with film SLR)

So look at it this way, your loosing nearly ten degrees FOV. No problem if you move further back? Not if you don't mind loosing subject image size that a FF sensor would retain.

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Stefan let's look at just 135 FF and MF.

If all the people who wanted a FF have jumped ship then why not those who wanted MF as the Mamiya DM22 is cheaper than the 645D and has a slightly larger sensor.

With respect to APS lenses only, why are people buying second hand 135 lenses then? There are a lot of Pentax users with 135 glass that cant see the full benefit on an APS body.

It's not a thought process to see what people think, it's a matter of fact. No amount of discussion will change that.

Pentax DSLR users have efectively been forced into buying APS glass and into buying third party glass where Pentax have not offered an alternative.

The big picture is (IMO)
Pentax have small issues to resolve with the APS C sensor (KX better than K7), the new rumoured DSLR may resolve these issues. Yet, in the mean time, they have gaps in their lens range and continued to go with the 645D project. MF is not a bread and butter format. People who buy them seldom upgrade or change them unlike the SLR/DSLR users.

I would be the first to congratulate Pentax if they make a profit based on DMF sales. Have you ever thought of why Canon and Nikon never went MF?

It may just have been that they never saw it as good business then or now. Pentax did make it work with film. No contest.

As to whether anyone jumps ship from their current DMF set up to get a smaller sensor and buy new lenses, I doubt it. So that would suggest only those existing 645 users that still have glass or new users will buy.

I believe that the DMF user base is even smaller than the FF(135) DSLR user base. So Pentax are aiming at a very small market with the 645D.

No doubt time will tell.

Pentax seem to be a company with great technical ability that make cameras for photographers, yet have lost a focal point. There is a common wish out here for low noise, wide ISO range, better firmware (screw or SDM option)and FF so that all Pentax glass works over the image circle, but to date Pentax don't listen or don't care?

Other brands are cleaning up with lesser quality kit!

Odd times at Pentax?

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All images were taken with the 200mm f/2.5.

No.3 somehow reminds me of Ena Sharples??????

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