It would cost a good deal less and it is a good lens.

If you don't need weather sealing and SDM, then yes, I guess it's a good opportunity whilst stocks last.

Fair point Tim.

Many adults have forgotten what it is like to be a child or teenager, and as a result can be quite shocked when they find out what their offpring's behaviour is really like.

Not in every case obviously, but in a very high number.

I don't worry about the temperature too much, but one other thing I do is to leave the camera switched on as much as possible. The reasoning behind this is that electronics generate heat...which warms the camera. In theory at least.

Controls are in place to enable filtering of images if required. It's up to parents to monitor their offspring and the tools are there to enable them to do this.

I use the word sneer as the title of this thread gave us a fair indication of its intent. The content quickly confirmed it.

As for quiet, it goes quiet post-wise when people start to argue. When they stop, it floods back. Every time the pattern is the same.

No progress then? Have you spoken to Virgin?

The operating range for the K20D is 0C to 40C, but at lower temperatures the performance of batteries falls off quite dramatically.

Always use a fully charged battery and keep the camera tucked up warm inside your coat. That should do the trick, and I've used the K20D at temperatures well below 0C. The camera is only exposed to the cold for short periods though.

The K5 will operate from -10C

It's very easy to stay you know.

It's unfortunate that I feel obliged to maintain confidentiality over things, so I can't put the other side to the story, whereas some put their opinions across in no uncertain terms.

As for numbers, these have never been higher, but that's a different issue altogether. The usual problem is that it can be made unpleasant for newcomers and I think it's a bit tragic that at least one member can't let his son participate when there's a wealth of photographic knowledge here that could help to inspire him.

Do we cater for those who have a genuine interest or those who want to sneer?

I can see where you're coming from Davex. I'll put it under advisement for action at an appropriate time. How long would you like to squirm for?

Yes, sorry to be vague about it! It's a new pursuit for me and I've not totally got under way with it yet.