Hythloday

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Anvh wrote:

I also read them with a pinch of salt and you can of course make one lens look beter in a test then the other one.
The DA18-250mm, for example, is far better than most tests suggest if you focus at 250mm and zoom out to the desired focal length to take the picture.

Comment by Hythloday posted on Some questions.... (16-50 vs. 16-45 vs. 17-70) at 13/04/2009 - 09:44

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golfdiesel wrote:

wow that is quite a difference. €769 is the cheapest I have seen it here in the Netherlands at the moment.
At this moment it is costing €541 at SRS so with shipping added it will be more expensive but still cheaper then here in the Netherlands.
You can also enjoy a day out in London, if you like. You can travel by Stenaline and take the nightboat twice so you can spend a full day in London (from 8.45 hrs to 20.15 hrs). The cost per person is 168 euros, including train journeys, hut, breakfast, etc.

Comment by Hythloday posted on Some questions.... (16-50 vs. 16-45 vs. 17-70) at 13/04/2009 - 08:45

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Anvh wrote:


This all lab tests though and I've no idea how the bokeh and such would be so it doesn't mean everything.
You are right with your remarks about edges and corners.

To be quite honest I don't care much about tests. If two lenses are tested by two different persons the conclusions will also be different. If we look at a test on the DA16-45mm, for example:

Photozone:

"The Pentax SMC-DA 16-45mm f/4 ED AL produced very good resolution figures in the MTF lab. At 16mm the center performance is superb straight from the max. aperture. The borders are good to very good. Stopping down improves the image contrast, less so the resolution on the focus plane (although the perceived sharpness improves due to the bigger depth-of-field)."

http://photozone.de/pentax/134-pentax-smc-da-16-45mm-f4-ed-al-review--test-repor...

DPReview:

Decidedly indifferent at 16mm, where it needs to be stopped down to F11 for best results, the lens improves markedly at longer focal lengths, and is at its best around 28mm. Image quality improves significantly on stopping down , with F8 and F11 the sweet spot;

http://www.dpreview.com/lensreviews/pentax_16-45_4_p15/page3.asp

I have had many lenses and the DA16-45mm is the only lens that focuses properly at the WA setting. All my other lenses I had or have (Sigma 18-125mm, Sigma 18-50mm /2.8 EX, Sigma 17-70mm (for Canon and Pentax), DA18-250mm, DA17-70mm) give the sharpest results if I focus at the tele end, lock focus and zoom out to the desired focul length to take the picture. DOF is enormous at WA and may easily result in less accurate focussing.

Comment by Hythloday posted on Some questions.... (16-50 vs. 16-45 vs. 17-70) at 13/04/2009 - 08:38

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Anvh wrote:
The Tamron 17-50 f/2.8 also looks as a very promising lens.
If you look at the charts on photozone, the Tamron 17-50 looks sharper then the Pentax 16-50 and the 17-50 cost the same as the Pentax 16-45, so well worth the price I think.
That depends on the camera. A 10mp sensor can handle 2000LPH, so it is no use to have a lens that can produce more lines.

Comment by Hythloday posted on Some questions.... (16-50 vs. 16-45 vs. 17-70) at 12/04/2009 - 19:32

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golfdiesel wrote:

I love my 16-45 but the build quality could be better, it functions perfectly but it is a little wobbly when fully extended.

Or will the 17-70 be a better choice because it has a wider range and a constant f/4 aperture.
I have both the DA16-45mm and the DA17-70mm. The DA17-70mm certainly has a better build quality, but is also heavier than the DA16-45mm. Its range is more useful. There is little difference in IQ between the DA16-45mm and the DA17-70mm. When I look at pictures made with the DA16-45mm and the DA17-70mm at 100%, the difference in IQ is mainly caused by focussing.

Unfortunately, Konijnberg offers the DA17-70mm at too high a price. I bought my copy in London at a price of 349,99 pounds which is quite reasonable.

Comment by Hythloday posted on Some questions.... (16-50 vs. 16-45 vs. 17-70) at 12/04/2009 - 19:28

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petemasty wrote:

The price diff between the Sigma and Pentax is £60 but is it £60 better?
Last October I sold the DA18-250mm and sold my Sigma 17-70mm. As to sharpness there is little difference between these two lenses when you use aperture 8.0. On March 27th I bought the DA17-70mm when I was in London.

Compared to the Sigma17-70mm, the DA17-70mm suffers slightly more from CA and is a little heavier. The DA17-70mm gives nice pictures with good contrast and colours.

The Sigma 17-70mm lets people think that aperture 2.8 has an advantage but the pictures are quite soft at that aperture. Apertures 5.6 and 8.0 are really necessary to give good IQ.

As the IQ the Sigma and the Pentax are similar I would say, but I like the DA17-70mm better than the Sigma 17-70mm because of the SDM which means fast and silent focussing and Quickshift. These things are quite personal. Both lenses are quite solid, but the zoom ring turns the other way round which I don't like because I have more Pentax lenses.

Comment by Hythloday posted on 17-70mm Pentax v Tamron v Sigma comparison at 11/04/2009 - 08:18

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mecrox wrote:
If the asking price of the 17-70mm shoots up when new stock comes in I might go for that Tamron, a 17-50mm f2.8 one.
The Tamron 17-50 and the Pentax 16-45mm both cost 269 pounds.

What you need depends on what kind of photography you like: WA, modest tele, etc.

The one mm extra WA the DA16-45mm has, means quite a lot. Personally I like WA and also have the DA12-24mm.

The DA17-70mm is a nice general walkaround lens. I have used it for two photo shoots and 20% of my keepers were in the 50-70mm range.

Comment by Hythloday posted on Pentax 17-70mm and the K-m at 06/04/2009 - 20:53

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Gwyn wrote:

3: most important of all: In the Netherlands and Belgium de Beukelaer take their cut too, which must put up the prices here, as we have an extra organisation in the chain, whereas in the UK and Germany Pentax deal direct with retailers.
The price difference is big for this lens and less big for other lenses. There is hardly a price difference in cameras.

Each country has an organisation which imports Pentax products. There is a close cooperation between these organisations. Most Pentax repairs are done by Pentax Germany, for example.

Comment by Hythloday posted on Pentax 17-70mm and the K-m at 06/04/2009 - 20:28

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JPC1970 wrote:
While I was buying the 17-70mm at SRS on friday they told me that the 2 they had in stock were being sold for £329. They could sell them at this price because they were bought bundled in with some bodies that they bought. I think the next batch they have won't be bought with bodies hence the price rise.
The one I bought at CameraWorld was bundled with a K20D.

Comment by Hythloday posted on Pentax 17-70mm and the K-m at 06/04/2009 - 19:20

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Hardgravity wrote:

Old stock?

Weak pound?
The suggested retail price in The Netherlands is 545 pounds, in the UK it is 449,99 pounds, a difference of 20%.

SRSMicrosystems offers the DA17-70mm some 25% below the suggested retail price for the UK and 40% below the suggested retail price in Holland.

Hardgravity wrote:

Who knows? Just enjoy your bargain lens.
I certainly will. It is a nice lens to use.

Comment by Hythloday posted on Pentax 17-70mm and the K-m at 06/04/2009 - 19:18

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