Don

That's the problem. I like some features on both.

I was really asking for help on feature for feature and dollar for dollar value.

Thanks,

RAG.

I use both iMac and only occasionally PC (Was a PC user until last year when I purchased my first Mac)

Would like to update to a new model with a 24 Monitor, either a new iMac 24" or go back top a new HP computer package with the 24" Vivid monitor. (I note both Monitors have the so called bright screens) Can this be a problem with reflections when adjusting images ?

Having a hard time making up my mind, would like some help if possible.

The iMac has 2.4GHz, or 2.8 core duo. Super Drive one slot 8x DVD CD etc. Comes with 1gb ram (can upgrade to 4) 320gb hard drive. ATI Radeon HD 2600 pro w/256mb memory. Firewire Bluetooth etc. iSight camera. Support for external display etc. 90 day free phone support. One year limited warranty. (Can pay for extra 2 yrs)

I can get a new HP with over two times bigger Hard Drive. 3gb ram (Can expand to 8GB) 2x1024mb 2x512mb. Intel core duo quad. Nvidia geforce card either 8400 or 8500 ? 8mb cache. 2.40 GHz Processor speed. 24 inch Monitor. Wireless K/B and Mouse.

The iMac is $1795 for the base model. HP is around $1700.

I use the computer for mostly images (adjusting/storage/backup) plus for browsing/research. Not into multi tasking or games. I love the new OS X Leopard with the Mac. Don't know too much about Vista.

Not being anywhere close to understanding the workings of operating systems, which is the better buy ? Is there any difference in speeds etc ?

Any suggestions (polite) would be welcome.

Thanks, RAG.

Don,

Are you now running Leopard ?

I put 2GB new ram memory in last year, not Apple but a very good brand, it has been working fine and gave me no problems with Photoshop CS2, which I believe uses more resources than Aperture 2.1
Also Graphic Converter, which I used now and again.

Like I stated I used CS2 and Aperture 1.5 with both Tiger and Leopard, ran great.

Did have 1.5 ram, the .5 the only original Apple ram. No problems.

Rg.

Don,

Did a complete re-install yesterday, now the problem is even worse.
I even shot some new RAW & jpegs to try, no difference. Out of 24 images, 13 in a row went black or white as they were loading, this was right after I had turned of computer and re-started. The new adventure as I was trying to adjust an image was the program shutting down !!! happened just the one time.

According to the Apple Aperture Tech experts I am supposed to have a clean system now. The last Tech I spoke with on Saturday told me to do the re-install and play around with the system over the weekend, then a super tech will call me on Monday to see if I still have the problem, if so he/she will try some other tweaks. I guess the tweaking will begin !!!!!

It's important to note that when it came to the instructions on how to re-install, the information given out by the Tech's was different depending on who one talked with. One guy told me to re-install from my original discs, then re-install Leopard. Another was not sure about the way to go. Two others told me, do not whatever you do re-install from original discs as that will really screw up the system, delete and install using only the Leopard disc, which is what I did.

I now have nothing on this computer that is not Apple related, the only software I re-installed for now is Aperture 2.1 Basically I have a bare bones unit.

Everything apart from Aperture works well and fast, better than before.

Talk about a pain in the ass,

Rg

Don.

Tried your suggestions to no avail.

It is mostly the Shadow tool that screws it up, however some other tools create the same problems, or it just goes black or white just by clicking on the browser image, starts to load and then turns black or white.

I tried a Shadows preset, clicked on it and every image I clicked on went black on the window. The browser file images stay normal.

Don't understand why Apple are blaming Photoshop CS2 for the problem, when it is very obvious many other users are having the same issues. I don't believe for one minute they all have CS2 on their systems. Plus some are stating it was a problem with Aperture 1.5 as well until Apple corrected it. (I didn't have any problems with 1.5.) It appears to be happening on a range of Mac Models.

It has to be some other common cause giving some of us these issues. Guess I will have to do a full restore of my system and see if it cures the problem. If not, I guess $199.00 goes down the drain.

RAG.

Don.

Thanks, will try that.

The Apple Tech Rep informed me Apple will do nothing about it, not their problem, stated it is Adobe problem. Adobe supposed to be coming up with a fix for CS2. CS3 is compatible with Aperture 2, I would assume most pro's have already, or will upgrade to CS3, so why would Adobe bother with CS2 ?

He also stated any photo program running on Leopard which is not fully compatible with Leopard can cause some major issues with Aperture 2.

Thanks, RAG.

Don.

Yes, K10D.

Computer itself checked out fine at Mac Store.

The following is a copy of Aperture errors on my computer when trying to adjust images. Provided by Mac Store.

Mar 12 10:49:37 -imac-g5 [0x0-0xc00c].com.google.Desktop.Agent[104]: 2008-03-12 10:49:37 GoogleDesktopAge[115] we've retried toplinks too many times, stop
Mar 12 10:50:19 r-imac-g5 World Book Dictionary[3386]: LCC Scroll Enhancer loaded
Mar 12 10:51:27 -imac-g5 [0x0-0x2b02b].com.apple.Aperture[244]: CoreImage: shadowHighlight3: fragment program exceeds native limits:
Mar 12 10:51:27 -imac-g5 [0x0-0x2b02b].com.apple.Aperture[244]: 2/10 attrs, 11/32 temps, 9/32 params 78/96 insns
Mar 12 10:51:27 -imac-g5 [0x0-0x2b02b].com.apple.Aperture[244]: 76/64 alu insns, 2/32 tex insns, 2/4 tex indirections
Mar 12 10:51:27 -imac-g5 [0x0-0x2b02b].com.apple.Aperture[244]: CoreImage: shadowHighlight3: falling back to software
Mar 12 10:53:32 -imac-g5 [0x0-0x2b02b].com.apple.Aperture[244]: CoreImage: shadowHighlight3: fragment program exceeds native limits:
Mar 12 10:53:32 imac-g5 [0x0-0x2b02b].com.apple.Aperture[244]: 2/10 attrs, 11/32 temps, 9/32 params 78/96 insns
Mar 12 10:53:32 -imac-g5 [0x0-0x2b02b].com.apple.Aperture[244]: 76/64 alu insns, 2/32 tex insns, 2/4 tex indirections
Mar 12 10:53:32 -imac-g5 [0x0-0x2b02b].com.apple.Aperture[244]: CoreImage: shadowHighlight3: falling back to software
Mar 12 10:54:11 -imac-g5 [0x0-0x2b02b].com.apple.Aperture[244]: CoreImage: shadowHighlight3: fragment program exceeds native limits:
Mar 12 10:54:11 imac-g5 [0x0-0x2b02b].com.apple.Aperture[244]: 2/10 attrs, 11/32 temps, 9/32 params 78/96 insns
Mar 12 10:54:11 -imac-g5 [0x0-0x2b02b].com.apple.Aperture[244]: 76/64 alu insns, 2/32 tex insns, 2/4 tex indirections
Mar 12 10:54:11 -imac-g5 [0x0-0x2b02b].com.apple.Aperture[244]: CoreImage: shadowHighlight3: falling back to software
Mar 12 10:55:19 -imac-g5 Console[3393]: LCC Scroll Enhancer loaded

CoreImage is evidently a major software problem.

The Mac Store tech went on the Apple Website and into their discussions site. He typed in 'Black" in the find window, up came a list of other users with the same problem (plus a white screen which I also got today)
He didn't know what the problem is but suspected some other program is screwing up Aperture.

When I got home I contacted Apple and discussed situation with yet another tech rep. To cut a long story short (one and half hours on phone and various tests and emailing him my computer info) the tech told me I think I know what the problem is Adobe CS2 !!!!!!! (which I have). I guess CS2 does not work correctly with the Leopard System, which in turn affects Aperture 2, as CS2 even though not in use, still is somewhat running in the background. One of the reasons, some of the Aperture 2 adjustments are very similar to CS2, so CS2 interferes with the Aperture 2 adjustments. The Tech stated it is a major problem and Apple put out a statement prior to the release of Leopard with regard to this issue with CS2.
I was told I will have to do a complete re-install of my system using my Leopard Disc, because even if I take CS2 off, I will not get rid of all the program !!!!!!!

Really didn't understand most of the technical gobbly goop he was trying to explain, hope the above makes sense to you.

Would prefer not to go through all involved to do a complete re-install. What are your thoughts ?????

RAG.

Don.

I removed all my image files from Aperture 2 that were originally on Aperture 1.5. The only ones on there now are new ones straight from a card,

Shot RAW and was making a few adjustments. Like I stated on some images it happens in the process of the files loading to the window.
Get same problems with RAW and Jpegs. Last night I shot a few RAW images inside the house, loaded them on the computer from the card, second image I clicked on started loading and went black.

In about 30 minutes I am taking computer to a Mac Store to see if they can resolve the problem. I have tried everything I can think of, including turning of my Time Machine back up drive.

Thanks for suggestions,

RAG.

Don,

I took almost every thing out of my library, only have 200 images in it.

I did forget to mention if I try to adjust the Canon and Nikon images that are included with Aperture 2, I don't have the problems ?????????

Thanks,

RAG.

Help please.

I have an Apple iMac G5 with 2.5 gb memory. Run Leopard.

Last Saturday I received a brand new sealed version of Aperture 2 as a gift. Installed it and did the upgrade to 2.1.

My problem as follows.

Tried to adjust approx 100 RAW images, things went ok at first, however very slow, after 10 images I clicked on the next image in the browser. In the process of adjusting, it suddenly went black in the main screen. This happened intermittently to the rest of the images along with some images looking like a dark black negative. Subsequently just clicking on some browser images they would immediately bring it up black or with negative look in main screen.

The only way I can get the image to come up correctly is to get out of Aperture and back in again. Then the same events happen all over again.

I put some jpegs on and got through adjusting 60 and then the same events happened.

I removed Aperture and downloaded the trial, entered my s/n and tried again. Same situation.

Contacted Apple, tech rep stated never heard about this problem before, must be a computer problem. Maybe, however Aperture 1.5 worked fine. iPhoto 8 works fine. Photoshop CS2 works fine, as does everything else on this iMac. All worked great with Tiger and now with Leopard.

Does anyone have any idea what maybe causing the problem ? I am at my wit's end !!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks for the help,

RAG.