In fairness to Stefan he doesn't get real beer, only funny Dutch stuff.

I've used my K20D in a Pacific Northwest rainstorm. It was blowing a gale and we had two weeks worth of rain in 24 hours, which in the PNW is a LOT of rain .
I was soaked to the skin, but the camera was just fine. Pretty good photos too.
I had the DA17-70 on the camera too, which isn't weatherproof.

Ah! back to booze

Couldn't be bothered to cook tonight so sent hubby off for a Chinese takeaway. Foo yong hai left so that's lunch tomorrow sorted too .

Techno - George is doing what George does best (at least on the forum).

Let's not get too diverted from Carl's post.

Canon service isn't any better. When my husband's Canon P&S went bonkers, just out of guarantee, we had to send it too them. It cost us to send it, it cost us to have it repaired and it cost us to have it returned, and it cost us 4 months waiting for it. They did not agree with the fact a P&S camera should last longer than the 1 year guarantee on it, and would not meet us on the costs, despite EU law being on our side.

He now has a Pentax K-m .

Carl, I hope you enjoy your new camera, and continue to enjoy your photography. Best of luck!


Sorry George but I have to agree with Techno on this.

Besides I bought my Ds from a faceless box-shifter, and come to think of it the K20D too.

Interesting Techno. It would explain why my 74 year old cousin was stopped by the police when making sketches in the city. He showed them his sketch book, and was able to prove he is quite a well known artist.

He remained calm, and actually was mildly amused at the thought someone would see a 74 year old with a gammy leg as a terrorist threat.
The police apologised and let him to continue his sketching.

Whilst I don't agree with project Griffin I do believe one's attitude affects the outcome of such encounters.

My sister-in-law and her husband are rabid Mail readers. When we visit them they get most upset we don't want to read their rag or agree with everything written in it.

My husband goes out of his way to get a Grauniad if we're staying with them .

With the Ds I didn't have the option of a grip. With the K20D the thing is so big I can't imagine what it would be like with a grip added.

I keep my remote in a little keyring memory card holder I got free from Sandisk one time. I used to use the strap I got back in the dawn of time which had two little pockets at the end but since switching to an OpTech strap it now lives with the spare cards.

Back on topic if you don't mind a bigger camera then go for the K20D. If you like a smaller camera get a K-x.
If you can find a K10 at a good price you could go for that and then you can always upgrade when the new model eventually comes out .

Not the tubes I had in mind, no. And yes I have had experience of them, in a different orifice . Luckily here they knock you out first.